Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Kallera]

FFXI was NEVER dull enough to release cut and dry "raids and instances". You mean Assault? Einherjar? Nyzul Isle? Salvage? Each has its own set of systems, unique name, and unique theme. They aren't like wow crap.

Einherjar, ZNM, Dynamis- you go to a dungeon, kill stuff, and there's a boss! Collect stuff to unlock more dungeons and more bosses!

Honestly,if your in such a twist about the names, you can call it "adventure!" Or "splunking!" But in the end, you are doing the same thing, and are only asking to be deluded.

Here, how about we call it "Dungeon Crawling"? Wow people don't crawl, and its nice and nostalgic!

[Renshi]

Let's compare the year 2000 to the year 2666, you know, since we're comparing the future to what's already happened and all.

Yup, that's when Bacon will rule the Devil World, emerge from the center of the Earth And ENSLAVE US ON...

going to Baconator at least one time per day.

[Molly_Millions]

Einherjar, ZNM, Dynamis- you go to a dungeon, kill stuff, and there's a boss! Collect stuff to unlock more dungeons and more bosses!

Honestly,if your in such a twist about the names, you can call it "adventure!" Or "splunking!" But in the end, you are doing the same thing, and are only asking to be deluded.

Here, how about we call it "Dungeon Crawling"? Wow people don't crawl, and its nice and nostalgic!

+1 for Spelunking!

[Zanfire]

Einherjar, ZNM, Dynamis- you go to a dungeon, kill stuff, and there's a boss! Collect stuff to unlock more dungeons and more bosses!

Honestly,if your in such a twist about the names, you can call it "adventure!" Or "splunking!" But in the end, you are doing the same thing, and are only asking to be deluded.

Here, how about we call it "Dungeon Crawling"? Wow people don't crawl, and its nice and nostalgic!

They were never that straight forward, they had unique aspects to them along with not being called "raids" like every other game.

[PrettyPrincess]

like the name efting matters.

[Sephr]

FFXI was NEVER dull enough to release cut and dry "raids and instances". You mean Assault? Einherjar? Nyzul Isle? Salvage? Each has its own set of systems, unique name, and unique theme. They aren't like wow crap.

Don't really need to reply to this considering others already have, however yes, FFXI was indeed 'dull enough' to release cut and dry raids and instances. The difference was they were given needless FF jargon that's pretty typical of any final fantasy game. If you look on the timeframe for future implementations there's actually something called 'Dungeon crawling' coming up next year, so look forward to that.

Besides that, all the above you mentioned were in fact dungeons with some kind of spin on them, be it gimping certain skills or whatever. Not really enough to set them apart as really different from your standard MMO dungeon.

They were never that straight forward, they had unique aspects to them along with not being called "raids" like every other game.

Lots of MMOs have lots of variations on the dungeon overall design, doesn't make FFXI's particularly special in that respect.

The obsession with being different for the sake of it really confuses me, I'd rather they took on board what everyone else is doing right and worked to improve on that design with the details that'll make it unique to FFXIV on top of that.

[TirionCrey]

The reason why there are various limitations is due to the problems with instance occupation and content occupation. I have every intention of wanting to avoid making people wait in line for instances that are occupied by parties that do not meet the number of members or rank to be able to clear a dungeon.

Please don't tell me instances can only be entered by one group at a time?...Please don't...just don't...

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Please don't tell me instances can only be entered by one group at a time?...Please don't...just don't...

These are strictly Dungeons, meant partially for leveling up, so yes only one group of 4 or 8 can enter the dungeons at once. These aren't meant to be endgame content that requires an alliance of 4 parties to beat.

[TirionCrey]

These are strictly Dungeons, meant partially for leveling up, so yes only one group of 4 or 8 can enter the dungeons at once. These aren't meant to be endgame content that requires an alliance of 4 parties to beat.

What does that have to do with ANYTHING? I don't give a crap if it's soncsidered endgame or not, even low populated servers got several hundreds players online. So you tell me it's "ok" to only have 4 people, or 8, based on which dungeon they will enter to see it at once? 1h time limit to clear a dungeon(or get as far as possible) results in a maximum of 96 people seeing the R30 dungeon a day and 192 people seeing the R50 dungeon a day. And that's not considering that most of these players might want to do the dungeon at the same time...so who is gonna wait?

The fact that Se is still not able to let instances be streamed for different groups at the same time only gives me a bad feeling for the future. Being able to enter an instance and be seperate from another group entering the same instance is like a base function in most MMOs now and SE still want's us to "wait" for anotehr group that may just have entered to get out of it first before we are allowed to enter?...this is just horrible and destroys all my "fun" I was gathering up for those dungeons cause now I know, I won't be able to enter them whenever I want to(not considering the lockout time it's gonna have), but I have to HOPE that there is nobody else in there or wanting to go at the same time as me...this is just...urgh...can't even tell how shitty that is!

I thought that SE is ahead of stupid crap like that now and would be able to allow players to enter such content w/o having to hope/wait for others to get out of it...

EDIT: After rereading your post I noticed you probably got mine wrong. I didn't mean that several groups should enter the dungeon and fight "together". I meant that different groups should be able to enter the dungeon and run through it on their own, not being effected by the other groups.

Cause right now it sounds as if a 4man party is inside the R30 dungeon, that any other party that might want to do the R30 dungeon as well, have to wait for the other 4 to get out of it first...and this is just unacceptable in these times.

[Reika]

Some people take anything Yoshida posts as if they are words coming from his heart or something. This is a business, he might be a "good" person, but he's in this to make it work so it can make money.

Everyone has a little 'Otocon' in them.