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  1. #111
    Player
    ispano's Avatar
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    Melfina Amastacia
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Spyrit View Post
    Humans have three modes, when we feel threatened (and we feel threatened when we don't feel safe) we will only engage one of two, reptilian thinking ( shutting down, unresponsiveness) lower mammalian, fight or flight, or the higher mammalian (primate) social mode, social mode cannot be engaged, unless the human feels safe in an environment, if the environment to a player has been proven to be hostile, one of two modes will be engaged, unless the other players in the group prove otherwise, you can't take the environment out of the human, past experience is what evolves humans, even on a minor scale.

    I'll give you an example player A, had 5 dungeon runs, in every run there was infighting and hostility, not always directed at player A, some, but not always, so this player has decided to either shut down, or flight or fight, for every pug run they do. Player B, has 2 runs that were hostile, 3 that were pleasant, yet when engaging a pug, they are in fight or flight mode, until proven otherwise. Player C had 5 very pleasant groups, is willing to take advice and carry it out and betters themselves as a player.

    The moral of that scenario, humans can't learn when they feel threatened, not even in the least, humans are only capable of learning while in social mode, and there's no getting around that.
    And yet, I and other people i've seen don't fit the mold you just described. And I don't just mean that I don't lock up in the first and second example, I mean other people who "shut down" even in the third example. What you're describing is far more simple than how our minds actually work.
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  2. #112
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    Bigpurpleharness's Avatar
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    Alaik Ropaire
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 80
    Not even going to lie, the only people I know who complain of this are absolutely terrible and are over-reacting to valid criticism. Not once has someone "tried to tell me how to play my job", with the exception of your standard guy who gets knocked off Titan EX then wants to know why I couldn't heal through his death. lol
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  3. #113
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    CianaIezuborn's Avatar
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    Ciana Iezuborn
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Armorer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Killance View Post
    Your rotation is wrong, why do Dragoons never listen and always die?
    So, umm, what's your rotation?
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  4. #114
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    Lord_Zlatan's Avatar
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    Zlatan Tarrant
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaFhey View Post
    "DRG LB"

    ^I get this all the time. Super annoying. I know when to lb. It's even worse when they say it and IT'S DEFINITELY NOT the right time to lb. I.e. Brayflox, to skip big bomb phase, people tell me to lb immediately(wrong time), you're suppose to start lb when his 'sprint' comes up.
    I also do the "O" in Gobbie machine on the health bar indicator.
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  5. #115
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    Sadana's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    Valia Rosa
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 71
    There's a couple different things going on here, I think. It is possible that the OP meant "Someone in the party tried to give me bad advice and he did it rudely." (Though OP's responses lead me to believe it's more "Some guy told me what to do and I didn't like it.") It can happen when a player THINKS they know all about a job they've never leveled. Since a number of months have passed since the start of game, many people have leveled multiple classes and perhaps CAN give good advice even if they are not playing that class in that particular dungeon. If I'm healing a dungeon and see a THM/BLM using Fire 2 or Bliz 2 on everything, I will (gently) explain what the spell does and why they should perhaps use a different rotation because I main BLM (and I'll accept suggestions; I'm ALWAYS learning!)

    Rudeness sucks and isn't helpful. I don't know why some players just show their hind side and criticize only with things like "Uninstall the game!" Does it really hurt them to slow down for a moment and take time to offer good advice? (I'm guessing yes.)

    Sometimes folks DO offer bad advice, shrug it off. If they offer good advice though, please listen... ><'
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  6. #116
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    Clavaat's Avatar
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    Character
    Osric Sylador
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 50
    I think the answer is really simple:

    If someone is doing something incorrectly, which happens, and you feel the need to tell them, do it politely. And I mean really put on the politeness. This is because it can be hard to tell tone over text. Add emotes to show you're not angry or anything, just trying to help.

    On the other side, be prepared to accept help in that form. Don't think that they only play 1 job, because much of the player-base plays multiple jobs. They may have had experiences on the job you currently are playing as that really helped them out and want to share it.
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  7. #117
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    Kazumac's Avatar
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    Kha'tan Moapaln
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 67
    I find excuses like, they didn't tell me nicely, I didn't ask for advice, or I can play the game how I want to, purely catering to your own ego... If advice is given, consider it. If someone said to me "Hey SCH you are the worst healer I've ever had in Ifrit EX, you are killing us with that debuff" (yes I'm horrible at making insults), my ego might be bruised but I better pay attention to what they said.
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  8. #118
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    Character
    Juni Esura
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    I had one time where a paladin wasn't holding threat very well so I said flash is to generate aoe threat and then they used it and everything was fine. I think that's the only time I bothered.

    I did have someone try to tell me something that was blatantly wrong.
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  9. #119
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    Erudain's Avatar
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    Character
    Eldarion Telcontar
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Again...if you're doing a lv50 dungeon/raid/roulette/etc...means you've been playing that job for 50-f***ing-levels.
    By that time you should have "at least" some clue as how your class works, and you recognize insightful advice from bad advice at plain sight.

    White Mage: "Hey PLD, please don't overwrite my stoneskin with yours" <---- insightful advice since PLD might not know/forgot White Mage gets a passive buff. Recognizable at the moment or after a few hits on your stoneskin.
    Warrior: "Hey DGN, Phlebotomize is a waste of time" <---- stupid advice and you'll also recognize it at the moment, ignore advice.
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  10. #120
    Player HeroSamson's Avatar
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    Zanon Reeves
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 100
    Trust me I hate that crap also, I am fighting the last boss in bray hard mode, he is yelling at me to LB at 50%

    I don't listen and kill the boss, he continues to yell about it, I straight tell him, I use LB when boss is near death so the bomb don't spawn he calls me a idiot and leaves.

    Everyone else laughs at the guy, though yeah I see what you mean, wish people would play their own job, I know what I am doing.
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