with this mindset the future looks dim

[Suniva]

you misunderstood ^^ sorry ill correct it i use "you" for all wait i meant sometime new people in dungeon get mad at people cos they dont like receive advise and i know its not fun but like if you reread my post correction.after a wipe i ask them again if they want my advice ^^.but i still try to help them

i wasnt saying you mad at me ^^

Ahh okay. Apologies then. And yes, those people that cannot take advise, those people are slightly annoying. You can lead a horse to water....

[SendohJin]

So this thread has boiled down to:

Side A: Raid content requires prior research to save wasted time in duty finder
Side B: Shut up mom! I do whatever I want! No one tells me to watch a video or read a guide!
Side A: Ok then I will not party with you and waste my time when I came prepared and you did not
Side B: Elitist jerk!

completely misrepresenting the other side just makes people hostile to your own.

real Raid content isn't put on Duty Finder.

if you're going to use Duty Finder, you're going to get what you get. you can't require anything in Duty Finder other then 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 DPS and an adequate iLevel (but even that you can cheat).

for the people who want to make demands of their party members, Party Finder is available.

[Nukocafe]

completely misrepresenting the other side just makes people hostile to your own.

real Raid content isn't put on Duty Finder.

if you're going to use Duty Finder, you're going to get what you get. you can't require anything in Duty Finder other then 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 DPS and an adequate iLevel (but even that you can cheat).

for the people who want to make demands of their party members, Party Finder is available.

Last I recall, Coil turn 1-5 are listed as "raid" in the duty finder window. Just because it's in duty finder doesn't mean it's not a raid. it was just nerfed and put in so people could catch up to the newer raid content.

While a lot easier and more face rolling Crystal Tower is also technically raid content.

[Kiara1]

Luckily I have only met one of these kinda ppl. It was my first time at Garuda HM, and he asked why I hadn't looked it up and I replied "Cause I don't want to spoil the fight, I want that epic first experience" and he just said fine, and started explaining the tactics

[Suniva]

Luckily I have only met one of these kinda ppl. It was my first time at Garuda HM, and he asked why I hadn't looked it up and I replied "Cause I don't want to spoil the fight, I want that epic first experience" and he just said fine, and started explaining the tactics

Not trying to be rude or anything..But, you did not look up the fight, because you wanted that "epic first experience", and yet...you have him still explain the tactics to you...So you're basically still getting the information about the fight before you do it..I truly do not understand.

[Seiryuukishi]

The 'Learned' want everyone else to be learned. The 'Learning' want all the 'Learned' to do the job for them. Something isn't meshing here. At some point one or both are wrong. The people in the know regardless of numbers or how much they studied via videos, written guides or both have no right to dictate what the other must do. The same goes for the people learning. Both have their ways. Don't like it? The way you enter instances works as an exit too. "I spent 3 hours queuing as dps!" My advice is this then. Either gamble on it working out or grab a box of tissue and cry about it. It isn't about you and your petty desires. Everyone pays same as you and has just as much right to the content as you and the way they wish to play it. So suck it up. Wanna treat it like a job? Find others who are as poor spirited as you and have at it. Wanna take your poor sweet time? By all means please. The argument of who has the right of it is no longer valid. Drive on, Corporal.

[shape]

Ye that is one of the main reasons i do not explain tactics. I came to the conclusions that one i suck at explaining tactics compared to other people (which is why i tell people to look up a text based guide instead). and please no one post i'm dyslexic BS because reading text in game means you can read text on a site.

but thanks i often said to a friend if some one has to explain tactics before/during the encounter then whats whats the difference in looking a text based guide? The answer is there isn't any.

If someone explains the tactics then that is a luxury, if some one demands to be told then they can shove it up there pie hole.

[YeaniNah]

Ye that is one of the main reasons i do not explain tactics. I came to the conclusions that one i suck at explaining tactics compared to other people (which is why i tell people to look up a text based guide instead). and please no one post i'm dyslexic BS because reading text in game means you can read text on a site.

but thanks i often said to a friend if some one has to explain tactics before/during the encounter then whats whats the difference in looking a text based guide? The answer is there isn't any.

If someone explains the tactics then that is a luxury, if some one demands to be told then they can shove it up there pie hole.

you really have no clue on Dyslexia is the most common learning difficulty and that there is many case of dyslexia ...some are slow at processing speed but they have acrazy memory like one at my job he know everyone work time im like O.O ..but me i got auditory short-term memory ...and at school i had difficulty reading text with question to do cos i was reading the text and when i was going to question i was forgeting the story even if its was just 2 page. To pass those exam i was reading the question 1 and search a word or a phrase similar to the question in the text since the phrase is small so easy to remember and i was going back to the phrase to see yeah that what im looking for and i was finding my answer ...

not cos i got diffuculty to read long text that mean its the same thing to a short msg on chat ...its like comparing a apple with an orange

oh sorry and PS. i dont read or watch cutscene or the quest text ..i search the place in the text where it need to be done and what i need to get ...but that its cos like i told you ..ill have to go back and reread it ..even thought i go back check what i need to find or where is it few time cos i forget easy

Anyway im not gonna debate about it ... being who i am doesnt stop me to play this game and anyway i will make some PF for people who want to enjoy without youtube video for the trill of having fun

[OPneedNerfs]

Thankfully the truly hardcore group will never group with the group that has to df it alot later.

Hardcore progression groups will be clearing content patches before they are nerfed to suit the more casual crowd. By then, those who already cleared would have either moved on or are farming said content for the people in their own group. So all you get in df is all the people who still can't clear said content due to time commitment issues or just can't be bothered to before it was nerfed. Couple that with newer players who wish to learn by doing and just wing it, the DF starts looking like a bleak place to clear any previously endgame content such as T5. Everything else before turn 5 that is dfable is a joke as it is. It is easily learnable for a first timer, no doubts about that but for turn 5, good luck keeping the party together for more than a few wipes to early mechanics.

[ulti_19]

Honestly the looking up on youtube and knowing the game before you experience it is the biggest pile of shit I've ever encountered in a game. The players who want people and who view all the content and rage at those who have not are not good players imo, and are the one's who should gtfo for bieberizing the videogame industry making it just a quest for the next loot and the fastest way of getting it without any solid experience.