with this mindset the future looks dim

[Alistaire]

Yeah definitely, I guess in that sense I can completely agree with OP. OP, with that mindset, the future does look dim for you. Thankfully at least in my experience your type is a minority.

[HakuroDK]

I think the underlying problem is that many of these fights are built with a specific strategy in mind for the players to figure out and tackle. If you think about it, other than "the way it's always done", does anyone think that there should be more than one or two methods to take down a boss rather than reading patterns and positioning in obvious gaps in a boss's uberpowerful attack?

I dunno, I just feel like the difficulty of the endgame might be more artificial in that every difficult part of it is engineered so intricately that there is only one, maybe two ways of being able to take down a boss, when realistically speaking, there should be several. This is actually where I have some respect for Titan's fight, because the concept of a shrinking arena naturally increases the challenge and difficulty of the fight because you have less room to move around as the fight continues to progress.

However, when it comes to Twintania, there is a very specific formula you HAVE to follow in order to succeed, which is a significant roadblock for many players, myself included, who can play their roles well, but feel like they have to take a seminar before every single new piece of endgame content. I mean, I do it because I want to get ahead, but that doesn't mean I like doing it, and honestly, if I wanted to study, I'd pick up my college textbooks and go at it, because Computer Engineering is far more interesting to learn than how many centimeters away from the other tank I have to be to not get flamed, yelled at, kicked, and blacklisted feeling like absolute crap.

This kind of boss design is the only thing stopping me from playing the hardcore endgame content, forever resigning me to the casual caste of players. Which is not a bad place to be by any means, but for a completionist like myself, it does feel quite restrictive.

[Marcusow86]

I would have to disagree with you. Before going on any end game content, at least read up or watch a video is a form of respect the other 7 player in the team.

No one like wiping every 10% of the boss fight just because someone gotten lazy and thought they could pass the fight blank minded.

Not asking people to be pros and execute it perfectly but i had grouped with people that have absolutely no clue at all what they are suppose to do, where they are suppose to stand, etc.

Watching a video or reading a guide would help ALOT of unnecessary wipes.

[Yurihyuga]

I just still read some of the posts on here with disbelief and this will be my last post on the subject as nothing I say or anyone else says is going to make a difference to how people use df.

The whole I want to experience things myself without watching a video etc - why don't you actually make friends in game and find people that want the same thing? This is a progression based mmo with a linear line of progression with mechanic based fights 90+% of people just want to clear things (OP and people that defend him have pretty much been outnumbered in this thread and the numbers would only be bigger in game)

Also remember we are not here to babysit players this is the modern age of mmo's and this is the community that is pretty much going to be in most mmo's. Don't try and say anything otherwise if you come in unprepared and knowing nothing you are a burden.

I mean also the argument goes both ways.

Why should you be entitled to cause 90 minutes of suffering? because you pay your subscription? because you want to play your way? guess what so do a lot of other people why should your entitlement be higher than the majority of other people playing the game.

However one thing always stays the same - Everyone wants to complete content and why don't you do yourself a favour and actually look stuff up before you go marching in with the wrong attitude for it and then complain later on?

I always have patience for people that have a positive attitude and at least done some research and then saying there new but watched the videos but I am not sure about phase x do we do this? However I do not have patience for the selfish minority

[Lamentations]

Old fast is a condition of scrambling peoples character with repetitive content, perhaps in DF where the value of veteran players time has degenerated into a simple "we did it first" definition this can be called true, I call it BS.

Carried is another concept that has been also redefined to simply mean we did it first, this means I guess that unless a new player memorizes every you-tube video they need not install at all, not sure how this helps SE maintain XIV.

In FCs calling members collectively a "group" and then demanding any first run participant be "you-tube savvy" is nothing more than a copout.

These self-worshiping you-tube addict we got here first experts are what make up the toxic ooze people call MMO communities these days.

[Rosy]

Umm. . . SE has made at least as many console racing games as Blizzard has, and has certainly released more console games in general than Blizzard has. Why are you using this to bash Blizzard, again?

*sighs*....which was my original point!!

[Rosy]

There's a very good Chinese proverb:

Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

[Lamentations]

[QUOTE=Yurihyuga;2129911]I just still read some of the posts on here with disbelief

Why should you be entitled to cause 90 minutes of suffering? because you pay your subscription? because you want to play your way? (you)

Your definition of "entitled" is wrong, I see this all the time in society now, people who do not actually know the definition of entitlement, entitled, and so on, by your application of the word, someone could argue that people who ask new players to be you-tube literate also feel entitled.

However one thing always stays the same - Everyone wants to complete content and why don't you do yourself a favour and actually look stuff up before you go marching in with the wrong attitude for it and then complain later on? (you)

By this logic a ps3 player who has no pc or internet surf access is just screwed, which of course means they now have to also buy a pc etc., how long before you decide anyone without a masters degree in IT just not bother installing the game.

[Kolaina]

By this logic a ps3 player who has no pc or internet surf access is just screwed, which of course means they now have to also buy a pc etc., how long before you decide anyone without a masters degree in IT just not bother installing the game.

ps3 has youtube app. i know this, you know this, so does everyone else. argument invalid

[Kuwagami]

By this logic a ps3 player who has no pc or internet surf access is just screwed, which of course means they now have to also buy a pc etc., how long before you decide anyone without a masters degree in IT just not bother installing the game.

this argument is just totally wrong. If you play MMOs on a PS3, you have internet surf access.