Duty Finder and troublesome players

[Moqi]

well all you ever get is (Hello!) from a macro and it's not like that makes them any more human.. npc's can do that too

Better than nothing. I'm not asking for their life stories, hello is enough. If they wanna chat some more even better.

[i2agnarok]

Grats, youre the typical dps that cant look further than his own global cooldown.

I disagree. The SMN isn't going to deal spike damage and the DRG is going to run out of TP before anything dies because of the ramp-up time on the DOTs. Holy spam from the healer would be pretty much mandatory in this instance, and even then, there are still going to be things alive when the DRG runs out of TP (Invigorate will work for a short time, but because of the cooldown, there are also going to be problems if there are multiple pulls), so that is probably why the rest of the party opted not to do the big pull speed run; doesn't seem worth the hassle.

In this particular instance, with the entire party against it, the tank should have backed down. While I don't agree with the phrasing, I agree that the tank was in the wrong. The healer probably just felt the need to put their foot down because the tank was trying to strongarm the party.

[blackjackets]

On the topic of bad parties/players, oh do I have a list. I've had so many bad experiences, but I gotta say my experience in Praetorium not only tops them all but is one of those "never forgive never forget" scenarios where i wish i hadn't been too upset to get the guy's name to blacklist his ass. (Context, I main a 50 BRD)

TL;DR, I go in first time, hyped up on story-mode adrenaline, say "Hi first time" in the chat, and this fucker (one of the tanks) immediately says "here for speedrun". I say "um no please it's my first time i'd like to watch the cutscenes" because dude it's the final dungeon and he proceeds to call me fucking RUDE for "making everyone wait for one person". Now, two of the other DPS and a healer back me up, but apparently majority rules and majority decided to fuck the poor newbie over, because I literally ended up being left behind and caught in a cutscene loop, being locked out of BOTH NERO AND GAIUS, and being killed trying to catch up because they skipped an entire mob and I was alone. I was just damn fuckin' lucky they let me catch up before Ultima, but that p much ruined the entire dungeon for me. (and no, i couldn't have re-q'd because I only play on weekends and this was sunday night so i wouldn't have been able to do it for another week if i'd left, since no time to re-q and wait another two hours before i'd have to leave)

That also happened to me in CM, I said "hi first timer" and I was summarily left in the dust -- i'd get out of a 30 second cutscene the only one in the area and going "guys????? where'd you go???". luckily a fellow DPS came back to get me and everyone waited, so that wasn't as bad.

Other stories --

First time in Halatali HM, I wasn't able to say "hi first timer" because as soon as the circle dropped they were off pulling, and since I play PS3 (i do have a USB keyboard, but even so, I cannot run and fight w/ controller and type w/ keyboard at the same time, it's complicated and time-consuming). So we get to Catoblepas and I get killed a couple times, since I have no idea what the fuck is going on, and instead of asking me what's wrong or even bitching me out, they wordlessly kick me from the duty before I can even say anything.

First time in Lost City (literally two-three days after the patch), I pop in, say "hi first timer" and the other dps says "same here" -- we load in and are in the circle, and no tank! we laugh and roll our eyes to wait...and poof goes our healer! me and the other dps try our hand at the two deathstools at the front and die a couple times, he leaves, another dps comes in and i tell him what happened, he says "eugh that sucks lemme go switch to tank and i'll be back promise" and he ditches, and THEN i get my other three players. I was marveling at some people's assholery so soon after the dungeon was even released!

I was in AV with a friend playing MNK and two PUGs for the first time, and the two of them blamed us for the wipe when neither of them adequately explained the mechanics to us, and kept screaming at me to Ballad and then the healer would run out of range as soon as I had it up.

I was in Qarn with my MNK friend and two PUGs for the first time, and the tank was an ass -- only barely explained the mechanics of the first boss to us, told us AFTER THE SECOND ADD SPAWN to start killing the bees, and kept dragging the damn boss over to the bees and blaming us for not being fast enough to kill 'em. We must have wiped nine times before we finally killed the damn thing. And THEN in the final boss battle he'd ditch the boss to run over to those needles that would do the close-in and cut himself off from the boss WHEN HE WAS THE TANK.

I was in Cutter's Cry and the other DPS bullied the healer -- first timer in the dungeon -- into kiting the Myrmidon adds, after she repeatedly said she wasn't comfortable with kiting because she was undergeared and unfamiliar with the dungeon. Thankfully the tank was able to stymie most of the bitching, so it wasn't as bad as it could've been.

People can be incredibly, incredibly rude in DF dungeons. People can be fantastically awesome in dungeons (like the dude i met in Titan once when i was running it for fun, he was a first timer and we kept wiping and instead of being buttmad he and i basically cracked jokes the entire time and had a blast). It varies.

When it's bad it's awful, but when it's good it makes everything worth it.

[Nicobo]

...he says "eugh that sucks lemme go switch to tank and i'll be back promise" and he ditches...

FYI forget since which patch, I experienced unable to rejoin the dungeon after job switching and then I have not try again...

[blackjackets]

FYI forget since which patch, I experienced unable to rejoin the dungeon after job switching and then I have not try again...

Ahhh, yeah, I figured that tbh -- I wasn't complaining about that guy in particular, mostly the tank who initially ditched. The rest of it was just me being amused at how many people cycled in and out of my instance. TBH i felt bad that the dude didn't get back in mine cause he was so nice about it!

[Lupus_Lux]

Thank you for being one of those that say they are new to an instance! I will always take the time to explain or slow down for new players, esp. if I'm in a low level roulette. It annoys me though when we wipe several times because someone was afraid to say that they're new, I understand their hesitation, but it's still annoying. I raised a DPS alt, and I can say that I feel your pain when the tank or heals splits mid run after a 30+ minute queue. Happened a lot in Dzemael with healers after they got the coliseum drop.

[lxSch]

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Your example doesn't appear to have caused any lasting issues.
When I said PLD not comboing RoH, I mean against bosses for prolonged periods. Things that will kill people if the tank isn't holding aggro. The scale is different than a speed run against trash mobs.
Uncomboed RoH also has situational uses.

Uncomboed RoH has 880 enmity potency/3s, so with equal gear it won't be an issue (+quelling strikes).

Eh, i just want to kill the boss, and so do the other 3 people. Some people dont take advice and cant be helped, so be it, thats their loss. But if you never try you will never know.
Here's something to think about: what if that bad tank does another dungeon and gets dps that are way meaner than you? He's now getting insulted for not knowing how to play, while you could have shown him the way in a much friendlier tone leading to a better experience for him.

Today i got AV for low roulette and looted a minion there. I didn't know it drops a minion, but this minion is awesome, it's tiny cute drooling morbol xD. Also tank derped few times there.

I strongly disagree with your approach here if this is what you do.

Firstly, being in a group where someone is clearly hindering the group is not YOUR problem, but the problem of the group in the first place. It's not only you who is experiencing troubles, it's everyone. Maybe you are the only one experienced enough to notice it. In which case you should feel obligated to at least try to fix the problem by pointing it out politely, trying to communicate, or just something... By leaving without saying a word you solve YOUR problem and create even bigger problem for other 3 people in the group at the same time. That seems a bit selfish to me. The guy really could be just very new to this game and he might be able to correct his mistakes the second he realizes there are some (by someone else pointing it out, happened countless times to me). You never know.

Similar situation happened to me recently where tank in low level roulette would just play very badly, he would not response or try to do anything to keep aggro better. I tried few times to explain, it didn't work out, so I left because I clearly saw there is next to no chance of finishing the dungeon in time. But this is at least the absolute minimum you can do before leaving and I strongly believe this is the correct approach. If you see a problem, point it out politely after some time and you still get flamed for this, it's not your fault and you can leave with clear conscience.

Try to think over it.

In the message you quoted i explained why i think your method is selfish, probably you didn't quite understand the said point. I cannot help people to understand things they cannot grasp.

On the topic of bad parties/players, oh do I have a list. I've had so many bad experiences, but I gotta say my experience in Praetorium not only tops them all but is one of those "never forgive never forget" scenarios where i wish i hadn't been too upset to get the guy's name to blacklist his ass. (Context, I main a 50 BRD)

When you get more experienced - you will see how bad those people in the easy content are, anger will be replaced by a pity. Just have patience, when you get upset - remember those players are horribly bad.

[KiraVaela]

In the message you quoted i explained why i think your method is selfish, probably you didn't quite understand the said point. I cannot help people to understand things they cannot grasp.

No, I explained to you why I think your method is selfish. The point you made there (beside your post making next to no sense, I can elaborate if you want) was that you leave after some time without saying a word as soon as you realize a player can't quite correct their own mistakes. To which I replied that I think this is selfish, because you don't really know what is causing this. It could be lack of experience, it could be wrong apporach, of course. But you don't even bother to try.

Also, you should start with yourself if you believe there is a problem with communication. For starters, try not to make up things, speak to the point and answer what I have actually written.

You can also stop insulting people by assuming they don't get a grasp on something you write. So far it seems more people have issues communicating with you.

[Alcyon1]

I disagree. The SMN isn't going to deal spike damage and the DRG is going to run out of TP before anything dies because of the ramp-up time on the DOTs. Holy spam from the healer would be pretty much mandatory in this instance, and even then, there are still going to be things alive when the DRG runs out of TP (Invigorate will work for a short time, but because of the cooldown, there are also going to be problems if there are multiple pulls), so that is probably why the rest of the party opted not to do the big pull speed run; doesn't seem worth the hassle.

In this particular instance, with the entire party against it, the tank should have backed down. While I don't agree with the phrasing, I agree that the tank was in the wrong. The healer probably just felt the need to put their foot down because the tank was trying to strongarm the party.

I wasn't pulling 10+ mobs, my pulls were : 7 mob, 1 mob + colony and 5 mobs. Since I was using my CD's, the healer could easily use a few Holy if he wanted to.
In this configuation, the SMN targets one mobs, put his dots, use Bane and dots the targets without dots. On the other hand, the DRG uses several AOE and mono one target. The packs are (number of mobs) : 2/3/2/1/Colony/2/1/2. The way I'm using, when the group is 85+ and with a War, is faster than pulling pack per pack or 2 packs per 2 packs.

[lxSch]

No, I explained to you why I think your method is selfish. The point you made there (beside your post making next to no sense, I can elaborate if you want) was that you leave after some time without saying a word as soon as you realize a player can't quite correct their own mistakes. To which I replied that I think this is selfish, because you don't really know what is causing this. It could be lack of experience, it could be wrong apporach, of course. But you don't even bother to try.

Also, you should start with yourself if you believe there is a problem with communication. For starters, try not to make up things, speak to the point and answer what I have actually written.

You can also stop insulting people by assuming they don't get a grasp on something you write. So far it seems more people have issues communicating with you.

I do not see a question anywhere there. I tend to think opinions are personal and should not be argued or discussed, so i can only answer that i have noted it.