Tanks/Threat/lowlevels Please fix this.

[Daniolaut]

I am currently an i93 Paladin and i91 Warrior.

I love doing low level roulette's because its fun to just enjoy the game but also is a great gil reward.

I have been running the low level dungeons and I always seem to struggle keeping threat on mobs while on paladin. I never actually lose threat but its much more difficult and the dps players always get very very close to pulling threat even though I never even come close to losing threat to high level content mobs.

The request here is to change the levels (a complete swap) at which Paladin gets Shield Oath and Sword Oath.


Sword Oath is an Off Tanking mechanic most useful during things such as Conflagrations for Turn 5 (pre 2.2) and when another tank is tanking. I have no idea why Sword Oath is given to Paladins so late in levels.

Please please adjust this so I, and all other Paladins can keep proper threat just as a warrior can at low levels and during level sync.

Thank you.

(Until this is fixed its pointless for me to choose paladin as my tanking job for low level roulette's as warriors are far superior, even though i enjoy playing both and actually main Paladin. Please SE fix this it makes so much more sense for warrior and paladin both to gain the enmity they need at level 30 and not just warrior.)


Additional Request:

Please, I ask most sincerely please adjust Defiance, and Shield Oath/Sword Oath so that it works exactly like Fists of Fire/Wind/Earth..

It makes no sense why each time i die as monk Fists of Fire doesnt drop, but as PLD/WAR Oath/Defiance drops.

[Daniolaut]

(There is a shortage in tanks in this game and this very well could be attributed to that reason. If i dont feel my skills are useful it is not enjoyable, thus is why i dont play paladin while doing low level roulette. Flash is a horrible joke without shield oath. If I main paladin and dont enjoy playing it at low levels then I dont believe someone who doesnt main paladin will enjoy it, thus a tank shortage. I'd really love for SE to actually consider this.)

Note:
I even specifically put on STR accessories while on paladin doing low level roulette's and still without shield oath i'm basically only fighting my dps against another dps and anyone who knows anything about this game knows Paladin has horrible dps.


TLDR:
In short if i enjoy PLD at 50 and choose not to play it below 50, how many people, while leveling, will keep playing it?

Lets make suggestions of ways to improve Paladin so more people play it.

[IndigoHawk]

I agree shield oath is given late to paladins and the swap you suggested would help.

I also think paladin low level threat simply needs a buff, regardless of shield oath. It's annoying when I generate so little threat that I can just barely keep ahead of a level synced dps.

The threat in this game is not balanced very well across levels, especially for level sync.

[sylent09]

Yes but warriors are giving butchers block later then rage of halone. Also warriors suffer with the larger dmg loss then pld. Doing say haukke manor as a pld is actually easier in my opinion. And yes I do play both ilvl93 on each

[Jim_Berry]

I guess it's set that way as a learning curve for GLD and MRD players doing low content versus a PLD and WAR being under Level Sync.

[Coth_X]

Out of curiosity cause I've been with some plds that couldn't hold hate. Overgearing is a problem, but for multipulls, how many flashes are you doing? And are you doing the multipull flash rotation? Most of the time, the pld runs in flashes once, and then starts comboing. Instead i've always done flash x3, then riot blade combo with a flash interwoven in.

I ask, because I don't have this problem and I notice you have reached 50 so overgearing should be even less of an issue with you.

Unless something changed very recently, I haven't had any issues tanking with pld/gld in low level content.

[Ooshima]

How did you manage the mobs? If you are synced down you shouldn't lose hate at all. The times low level tanks lose hate are those non synced ones, which are leveling themselves up paired with DPS who are like i90++ synced down, but still can be managed.

Engage with your lob or tomahawk, throw in 2-3 flash/overpower. If both your DPS are capable of AoE spam such as BRD/BLM them you might want to throw in one more flash/overpower before cycling your 1-2-3 combo. Like for example in a 3 mob pack, on the mob marked #1, I would say for example, Fast Blade + Savage Blade it then Rage of Halone on mob #2. Then Fast Blade on mob #2, Savage Blade + Rage of Halone on mob #3, then go back to check on mob #1. Is it dying, say like less than 40% HP or going to die in less than 4-5s? If so, I'd just stun it and move on to other mobs.

I main a BRD and PLD as first choice alternate, I didn't have issues. I've also just finish leveling my WAR to 50 and applied the same principles and even paired with high level synced down DPS, doesn't have hate issues.

[krazyrs]

Yes but warriors are giving butchers block later then rage of halone. Also warriors suffer with the larger dmg loss then pld. Doing say haukke manor as a pld is actually easier in my opinion. And yes I do play both ilvl93 on each

just no, WAR gets overpower at lv12, so easy to hold hate at low lv vs a pld who only has flash until 50 when they get cos
yes i94pld/i93war too

[Coth_X]

Low level pld doesn't really have hate issues if you are using enough flashes, there is a reason they have a much deeper mp pool than wars

[JonBigwood]

Hello, I don't think there is a problem that needs changing. I do many roulettes (as tank and as other jobs) and usually there are no big problems.

Low level places are the places to learn, people are learning at that levels, one of the things to learn is about enmity: tanks have to learn to get and keep enmity, DPS and healers to not create enmity too soon: learn to not attack too early, to attack the mob that the tank is attacking, go to the tank if he gets aggro (instead of running away), be careful with AoE attacks because they can get aggro easily, etc.