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  1. #11
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    ZeroAmano's Avatar
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    Zero Amano
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    Tonberry
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Zencurse View Post
    I'm ilvl 100 with the 110 staff, our bard foes at the beginning of the fight and momentarily at the end of the fight (So rather sparingly, we get approx. 30 seconds of it) and I do 340-370 (RNG dependent). So yes, if I had foes the whole time I could easily see 400. But again, the point is Black Mages have a lot of RNG and foes req dependency to pull those kinds of numbers and in attempting to answer the OPs question I'd say you'd have to consider what the black mage player means by "400 dps" to be a combination of luck, at least mild skill, the fight itself, and consider the bards role. Not their, testing on the dummy dps.
    Yeah.
    Puro Strider's Info is truth. "Skill=Luck">WD>INT>DET>Crit=SS. Do not follow the PERFECT WORLD SETTING.
    IT WILL ONLY KILL YOUR DPS. That's how i increase my dps after I found DET is so important. Sadly I used my ToS too faster and went wrong setting. Have to take 2 weeks to get it back.
    Hope I would won allagan stone at T7 so i will be able to pull 350+ easily. But losing 4 point to a SMN :/
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    Last edited by ZeroAmano; 05-04-2014 at 05:06 AM.

  2. #12
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    Xisin's Avatar
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    Xisin Fendada
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    Sargatanas
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowzanon View Post
    And this is where i call bullshit, if you can pull out those numbers put up the proof. but then its not that , you obviously would know a thing or 2 over other blm if the numbers are that big of a diff. If you pull these god like numbers as you boast, i did see you claim over 400 dps on turn 8, well then make a good guide. etc etc.
    After a post like this I'd rather not help you lol.

    All I was pointing out was that there are skill gaps, and its not just "hit 1" as the guy I quoted before was almost stating.

    My turn 8 set up is blm blm brd drg drg war whm sch btw. The bard hits his req. at the beginning and on the 2nd dread, other than that I'm on my own. I do use pots, and poison pots don't count toward parse numbers anyway.
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  3. #13
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    ks3v3n's Avatar
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    Kseven Leetha
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    Shiva
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowzanon View Post
    And this is where i call bullshit, ...
    stopped reading and advice every other blm not to help that 'lil padawan =)

    there are 3 stages of being a blm above average:
    1) learn your rotations and skills
    2) adapt that information to every different encounter (you have to learn the mechanics of the encounter in synergy with your skill set)
    3) don't stop improving with every single engage

    edit:
    i understand y your raid is willing to push the other dps and not you, tho. me as a raidleader would def do the same x)
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    Last edited by ks3v3n; 05-04-2014 at 09:34 AM.

  4. #14
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    Tiffany Thorn
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    Leviathan
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    Samurai Lv 70
    I have to agree that there can be a very great gap between good and bad BLM performance numbers. I was in a raid team with 2 BLM's once, me and a friend of mine. While he was a nice guy and fun to have around, his skill at the game was simply terrible. My BLM would parse between 290-320 and his would be 110-125. While his gear was slightly lower than mine, it wasn't so off base as to justify such a poor result. There can certainly be a wide gap in performance if one BLM just isn't optimizing their actions. Some of it is rotation, while the other part is simply being in the right place before hand so you don't have to interrupt as many casts.
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    Tiffany Thorn
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    Leviathan
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    Samurai Lv 70
    (cont.)

    There is also the issue of knowing just how far you have to move to be safe. I noticed he wouldn't stand on the potential edge of incoming AoE damage, resulting in him having to move a lot further to get out of the AoE. More time moving is less time casting. He would also run a lot farther past the safe zone than I would.

    When we talked about how to boost his performance in our raid team, we found that he was doing everything more or less correctly, it was simply a collection of 293487532498573249832457 tiny details that just all add up.
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  6. #16
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    Shadowzanon's Avatar
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    Aether Flow
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Xisin View Post
    After a post like this I'd rather not help you lol.
    My big issue with ya is well you are boasting something that is untrue. Ill explain where im comming from. When i check my numbers its the full extent of the fight, nothing more , nothing less. It irks me to see someone boast they can do x ammount of dps on a turn but within it they are admitting to only a fraction of said fight but tote out they can pop x amount of dps on that fight. The issue here is that is not you're true ammount of dps of that fight i know is less but not drasticly so. The problem comes when people skim this and then come out n say well there are blm who pull out x amount of numbers in this fight and you are nowhere close to that. This is something i have to deal with not cuz of your post n numbers but due to how many people just boast the most dps they managed to do that was only a fraction of the fight and not its entirety. Id like to know, with your gear, what you really pop on that entire fight, an avarage, that helps motivate one to push foward if they see they are not so far behind. If my runs would go from 280 dps to 320 due to rng n stuff ill avarage out at 300, its a more realistic number in my case instead of me claiming my highest. its the purpose of this thread.
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  7. #17
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    Shadowzanon's Avatar
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    Aether Flow
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ks3v3n View Post
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    Oh trust me I know my rotation well and use all my skills to the best of my ability, i do not follow a set dummy rotation, if there is movement and i need to use scathe or something else that will hit my mana where i cannot pull out the perfect rotation i will made sure i am consistantly casting something and not waiting for mana because i went to low before going to umbral ice. In my group i am the most adaptable to encounters and usually i give them tips to what i can do that can help the group entirely. For example on turn 8 i know manaward blocks the damage from the towers, this allows me to take 2 stacks on the first and 3rd triple towers as long as i do not get allagan. this not only opens up another player to tag towers but it keeps me in the same spot to burn as much as i can.
    I do not settle, i do want to improve, which is why i wanna know what we truely can avarage during full durations of fights, not 5 to 7 min in a fight or during a battlevoiced foe requim portion of a fight. I wanna know the whole thing as i base my dps on that.
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  8. #18
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    Nyne Helios
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    Excalibur
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    Goldsmith Lv 80
    Question for those BLM with exceptional dps numbers in T8: Do you guys have mechanics responsibilities? For example: On blm i'm responsible for clicking drednaught tower, and for eating 1-2 landmines with manaward up. I know it is hurting my dps but mechanics are mechanics
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  9. #19
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    James Cairn
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by NyneAlexander View Post
    Question for those BLM with exceptional dps numbers in T8: Do you guys have mechanics responsibilities? For example: On blm i'm responsible for clicking drednaught tower, and for eating 1-2 landmines with manaward up. I know it is hurting my dps but mechanics are mechanics
    I soak landmines with manaward and take every other tower phase for a tick. I'm also responsible for making sure the Orbital Laser attack doesn't kill those bound (the bard is our backup incase I'm bound as well, our monk if both) and I tend to do a exceptional amount of DPS on the fight (usually only behind our monks). Just liberally use Aetherial Manipulation to reposition and you should have virtual 0 downtime.
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  10. #20
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    Taleon Silverwing
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    Adamantoise
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Those numbers are not unrealistic.
    The Blm in my static, hits pretty close to that, if not higher on a normal basis.
    Mostly, depends on Rng of what is going on in the encounter, and his own procs.
    Yes, he deals with towers, yes, he deals with landmines only mechanic the group is not dealing with is homing missiles and brain jack.

    Not trying to continue any flaming, just my two cents in what I see in my static.
    Think he is i98 with i110 weapon for sure.
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