The number of bad players are rising!

[Zaels]

And suppose the party is failing a DPS check (Haukke HM boss reaching enrage and sacrificing players for example) because the BLM is only casting Blizzard III to fulfill his lifelong fantasy of being an ice wizard? Guess I better not tell that BLM to use Fire or that'll make me a horrible terrible person for not enjoying 30 minutes of wipes.

[Foo01]

And suppose the party is failing a DPS check (Haukke HM boss reaching enrage and sacrificing players for example) because the BLM is only casting Blizzard III to fulfill his lifelong fantasy of being an ice wizard? Guess I better not tell that BLM to use Fire or that'll make me a horrible terrible person for not enjoying 30 minutes of wipes.

You know you guys have the vote kick option. There are more than just the one BLM, and more than one DPS waiting to get into queue. But you guys like to obsess over the one odd case, and ignore the more common problems of elitist speed runner screwing everyone else over. Those speed runners abusing the duty finder are the bad players.

[ispano]

You know you guys have the vote kick option. There are more than just the one BLM, and more than one DPS waiting to get into queue. But you guys like to pick on the one odd case, and ignore the more common problems of elitist speed runner screwing everyone else over. Those speed runners abusing the duty finder are the bad players.

I never said the ones trying to force things on others weren't. I'm telling you that the flip side of the coin is just as much of a problem, if not more. But you won't have it, they can't help that they're not able to do better or anything of the sort. It's a double standard that you blind yourself to just out of hatred or dislike for ONE group.

The non-communicative elitist speed runner who think the duty runner is for them and abuses it as such are far more common place by multiple order of magnitude.

Then prove it. My, and other people's experience has been the opposite. Again, prove it. I do several dungeon runs a day, on various roles. I see what I describe more often than what you describe.

[Foo01]

I never said the ones trying to force things on others weren't. I'm telling you that the flip side of the coin is just as much of a problem, if not more. But you won't have it, they can't help that they're not able to do better or anything of the sort. It's a double standard that you blind yourself to just out of hatred or dislike for ONE group.

The "flip side" of goofballs like the blizz 3 BLM does not even make up the whole side of a coin. You are playing devil advocate, falsely equating the two, and they going off on the fictious double standards. You guys want to exaggerate on the select few anecdotal goofballs that undoubtedly exist given a large enough player base, the vast majority wants to get better. The non-communicative elitist speed runner who think the duty runner is for them and abuses it as such are far more common place by multiple order of magnitude. They do not equate, there is NO double standard. Just like that crap Faux New, just because they say it is "fair and balanced" does NOT mean it is.

I understand what Ispano is saying. I've been in dungeons where acn/smn had tank pets out, and I suggest using Emerald Carby/Ifrit/Garuda instead. That's not me being elitist or telling another person how they should play. It's a suggestion that in the long run will benefit everyone, not just that one player. And that player meeting me halfway would be to listen to my suggestion. What is so hard to understand about that? The experienced players give the advice they give because they have the experience to know what actually works.

I main a SMN. I know about the tank pets. But I seen tank do just fine with the tank pets too. The inexperienced tanks sometimes actually like having the help. And in pre-formed parties, you can go SMN and healers without tanks even. So you are being elitist by being inflexible and insisting that things be done certain ways. The tank in that situation should be the one to make the call.