2.2 Feedback. RNG, Atma, Mirrors and the lack of response from the dev team/Yoshida.

[SavageWolf]

I'm amused by the fact you think that your post(s) have a point other than complaining.

Get over it. Play the game and have fun, or don't play. It's simple.
Your subscription and presence in the game won't be missed at all.

[Jinko]

Agree pretty much 100%, you forget to mention that for many casual players Levi isn't even an option as it is stuck behind the brickwall lag fest that is Titan.

It seems this patch was intentionally exclusionary for casual players or people who don't have a great deal of time to play.

Nice one SE !

Get over it. Play the game and have fun, or don't play. It's simple.
Your subscription and presence in the game won't be missed at all.

Every customer should be valued, otherwise at what point will they be missed?.. when its too late? and this game has a bad name just like in 1.0 ?

[KyroeFelix]

I'd say there are no issues with 2.2's content. The casual players you are referring to? Most of them would say they aren't doing ex primals or coil (endgame stuff). Like you admitted to in your post, you don't have to atma farm or build an animus. Just because you choose to do part of the game you think is boring, how does that make it bad and/or boring for everyone else in the community? Maybe some people like the grind for atma. That'd be like saying FFX was awful because you had to dodge lightning 200 times for Luna's ultimate weapon. You either choose to do it or you don't. If you're playing something that is making you unhappy, why are you still playing?

[Rose-Wild]

I'm amused by the fact you think that your post(s) have a point other than complaining.

Get over it. Play the game and have fun, or don't play. It's simple.
Your subscription and presence in the game won't be missed at all.

And this is when you see that someone din't read at all. My post even says that i will probably play for a long time. And you are a fool if you think that subs don't matter at all. There's a reason for the other topic to have so many posts, it's not a small issue many people are not happy with this and if your costumers are not happy then you have a problem.

[SongJoohee]

If people do not want to grind do the million of other things this game has to offer. Do coil and get that gear and the weapons from there. Farm the 4 man dungeons. Kill moogle and levi for weapons and neck peices.

What 'million other things'? In terms of combat:

There's 0 reason to run dungeons other than Brayflox for the mytho. I don't need mytho anymore, all 5 classes I play are at iLevel 90+. I've done Moogle, I've done Leviathan far too much already and given up on getting a mirror, it's just insulting knowing there's a player on the server I play on that has joined a Leviathan farm group, stayed dead for the majority of the fight, and then rolled on them mirror on won it.

I would run Coil all day if I could, but I can't because the way Coils lockout is made I am tied to my group.

Just because some people do not have time others have an over abundance of time. People need to stop expecting gear hand outs. If you do not have time to grind it out in a week. 1) Do it slowly or 2) start dedicating more time to the game.

A MMO should never be catered to those who cannot play alot, it should always be desiged with those who can play a ton. That way there is enough content for everyone... not just the weekend warriors.

I don't care if things take a while, I care about it being equal to everyone. If you look in the relic thread you can get hundreds of testimonys from players who have tried to get Atmas for 50,100,150 hours and still not gotten the luck, yet other players that managed to get all 12 on the day the patch was released. Same issue with the mirror, some players have got it in 5 drops, others have gone through 100 leviathans and not seen one drop.

There's also the issue of that it's just not fun. Running about killing Level 5-30 FATEs is not fun. Killing the same boring primal over and over, is, not, fun. Atleast in 2.1 with the Primal quest there's some variety in that you do 3 primals.

There is a ton of stuff hardcores hate about this game... now there is 2 things casuals hate. Atm the casuals are still getting the great majority of the content. If everything was a long grind then this argument would be more valid. Everything else has 100% drop rates.

I have seen far more complaints in my "hardcore" Linkshells about all the RNG in patch 2.2 than I ever did about the issues in 2.0 and 2.1.

[L-D-Omlette]

The patch has been live for three weeks, the next one won't be out for another nine or ten (not counting 2.25), and even that will probably not add progression content since it is a CT patch. The next progression patch would then be 2.4, which is presumably close to twenty four weeks out.

With RNG some people could have their upgrades already, while most will still be grinding it out. If everything were moved to a token system where everyone were guaranteed something after X amount of work, then you would have to set the payout at a point in time that keeps content relevant for a majority of a patch cycle, otherwise people will grind it out in a week and the "nothing to do" threads come back even faster.

There has to be a balance.

I cannot honestly name 1 person I know in game who likes fates in the least.

I actually like the FATEs, when they aren't getting zerged like crazy. There are several that I have had to complete solo, or with one or two other people and I enjoyed them immensely. Only when they are zerged into the ground do I think they are no fun.

[ReplicaX]

So the casual player base at the moment doesn't have any chance to run the new coil, and with luck maybe they can get Leviathan down, so at the moment the biggest content they have is the relic and that is a lot of time for a casual player so they are left out.

You can clear T6-T8 of the new turns and Levi Ex with myth gear, 1st Coil gear, Ex Weapons, Ex accessories, Zenith Weapons, Allagan Weapons, Levi Weapons without upgrade (2nd Coil), and now ilvl90 crafted.

That is a lot of options to go with your play time.

So when 2.2 came out i made a rant about the atma quest. Now it's one of the biggest topics in the forums and we still haven't got any response from the dev team.

It's a merged and renamed thread full of mixed opinions, not just yours.

[SavageWolf]

Every customer should be valued, otherwise at what point will they be missed?.. when its too late? and this game has a bad name just like in 1.0 ?

As far as I know, they do value their customers. Yoshi and his Dev team have listened to requests and feedback, and continue the trend to make changes to the game. One thing like Atmas come up and everyone throws the entire team under the bus. You obviously haven't seen how emotional he gets when he speaks about his game and his fan base.

As far as missing someone's presence (TC) in game, I for one couldn't are less about him.

[SavageWolf]

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Your post has replies from both sides. It's not just a 100% complainers, but supporters too. Get over yourself.

Play and have fun, or go away.

[Rose-Wild]

If you're playing something that is making you unhappy, why are you still playing?[/QUOTE]

If the game is making you question yourself why are you still playing... then the game is making it wrong.... And that's what's happening to many people i know. I play because i have hope in the devs learning from their mistakes and i play for fun/challenge so the RNG pisses me off but wont make me quit the game. But that's me.