Leviathan Ex Weapons screw over Paladins & White Mages

[Megido]

The droprate on mirror just makes it totally useless. 1 in 40 divided by 8 people is simply a joke. Oh wait, you with 8 people from your fc? Then why the hell arent you working on t7 instead over wasting time in levi hoping to get a miniscule chance of a droprate. Theres even a i100 weapon that you can get from doing under CT gear required dungeons using the damn party finder. I dont get the fc's that are wasting all this time on that silly mirror even though i personally want it really bad. Just to have a couple different, totally useless, secondary stats? Not gonna drag my fc through there, i'll just use the shitty relic animus and get more coil tries in.

Bad design SE. I know you need to have the time required to get levi weap to be about the same as a coil weap or animus, but due to the absurd RNG factor it is just a massive waste of time comparatively, to not even mention trying to get your levi mirror solo by joining a pf.

[Zaels]

It may have something to do with coil being time-gated and not Levi EX.

[Lyrinn]

I like to think they did this to teach everyone a "lesson," since people were complaining about loot/raid lockouts despite SE saying the alternative was low drop rate.

But I agree, it's a waste of time currently. I only do it because I want the blue glow.

[Megido]

It may have something to do with coil being time-gated and not Levi EX.

Obviously it does, but its not like people are finding multiple mirrors a week.
T7 also has 100% droprate on weap.
You can call coil time gated, i call levi time wasted. And the system is exceptionally horrid as doing it solo in a pf your chance drops by another 8 times.

[dejavutwo]

I agree that the mirror drop rate is absurdly low. After over 20 runs, I have only seen 1 drop. On top of the absurdly low drop rate, since I don't have a static, I will always be rolling against 7 other people. If this thing has a drop rate of 5%, means my actual odds of getting one are 0.625%.

I don't know whats worse - The mirror drop rate, or the atma farm. I started playing this game because it was a pretty casual MMO, that is not so much true anymore.

[melflomil]

Players should only be allowed to roll need on the mirror if they have the weapon in their inventory/equipped. I Get pissed when someone wins the mirror and they don't even have the weapon. I only use primal weapons for my secondary classes because relic for those classes will be way to much stress on me.

[Lambadelta]

well I caused loads of hate in my FC since I had my mirror 5th try and didnt have my weapon yet. Its all a matter of luck, and is better than the days when MMOs had drop rates of 0.02%.

[Lithera]

Obviously it does, but its not like people are finding multiple mirrors a week.
T7 also has 100% droprate on weap.
You can call coil time gated, i call levi time wasted. And the system is exceptionally horrid as doing it solo in a pf your chance drops by another 8 times.

What wep does Turn 7 drop? Turn 9 is the new Coil weps. Turn 7 is where you have the chance to get the Unidentified Allagan Tomestone to trade for a weathered wep but that also costs soldiery for tokens and I was under the impression the tomestone wasn't 100%. Even assuming the tomestone IS 100% it still means 8 weeks of work to get everyone 1 wep. This of course assumes your group has access to AND can clear Turn 7. Unless you suck royally at dodging, the gate for Levi access is a lot easier to pass through than the one to reach Turn 7. Producer himself responds to this issue with a very generous solution and still all people can do his complain...unbelievable...

[LineageRazor]

In the long view, both Levi weapons and Coil weapons are likely to be a waste of time. They may be the best (or on par with the best) weapons now, but eventually the game is going to move on, add higher ilvl equipment, and both these pieces of gear will be gathering dust in your storage. The Relic weapons, I think, are the only ones that are going to consistently evolve as the game progresses.

As for folks whining about the drop rate, understand that getting the Levi weapon is not meant to be easy. In its own way, it's as difficult as upgrading a relic, or completing Coil turn 9. There's three different powerful weapons available, and three very different paths to acquiring them:
- Levi offers a lottery. To acquire this weapon requires luck, and lots of it.
- Coil offers a challenge. To acquire this weapon requires skill, and a likewise skilled group.
- Relic rewards patience. To acquire this weapon requires a willingness to put up with a mind-numbing grind, but eventual acquisition is inevitable if you keep at it.

There are folks that are fans of each possible path, and SE is trying to cater to them all, and I'd say successfully. If you don't like the ridiculously bad odds of walking away with a Levi weapon, try the path of challenge, or the path of patience. If you don't feel that you'll ever be good enough to beat coil, or have hardware limitations standing in the way, try the path of luck or the path of patience. If you can't stand the horrendous grind of the relic, try the path of luck or the path of challenge.

Don't expect any path to be easy - but bear in mind that as the game evolves and higher ilvls are added, SE will likely reduce the difficulty in achieving these weapons since they will be necessary stepping stones to new equipment. Long-term, I think, following the Relic will be the safest bet for a weapon that stays on-par with the best.

[ZoroRoro]

What would be cool is if the mirror drop rate was influenced by how many people had the Wave weapon equipped or maybe even in inventory, something like (n+1) * drop rate. Can even put it in the weapon description - "This weapon when used against Leviathian is more likely to extract vital essences upon defeating him...etc, etc"