Is this your first Final Fantasy? Or do you just not remember grinding in past games?

[Sunarie]

Good for you then. I'll be bookmarking this space to link back when people start complaining about the myth grind in a few weeks time.

That's fine? I'm not claiming to speak for every person ever.. just the people I personally know who have voiced annoyance but don't come to the forums. There are some people that flat out don't like grinding, and really this type of content doesn't cater to them. If you can find someone saying that they like a grind, and are looking forward to the second part of the quest.. and then a post later by that same person complaining about the second part of the quest I'd be more impressed. Though that still doesn't really prove how I personally feel about the content "wrong". Especially seeing as you're going to find at least one example on the forums of people complaining either way.

If you can point me to a 90 page (well, basically 90 pages at the time I'm writing this) thread full of basically nothing but complaints about the myth grind, I will concede that perhaps it isn't just the Atmas, and people just don't like a grind. Good luck with that though.

[Grizzlebeard]

I remember grinding my Vex'Thal key in Everquest back in 2001. This was an item that allowed you to enter an endgame open world raiding zone that was a lootfest. The key required 10 shards from memory, with a droprate similar to the current FATE items, then you had to get a holder off a NM followed by farming a key to gain access to a boss of an entirely different zone who in turn dropped the final part for your key. Essentially it was massively more involved than the current crappy grind but it was 2001 and we did that back then without pause but even then it opened an entire zone up which had dozens of drops as opposed to one crappy marginal upgrade process to an existing weapon.

*Edit* All this just to enter a zone.
Quest to enter Vex Thal.

Quest to enter boss's chamber to gain final key item for above quest.

Quest to make weapons that can harm above boss as he's immune to everything else.

[Takeva]

tldr: if you can't handle the rng, i think you should just skip this quest entirely because you are not going to enjoy the second part.

The second part, I am fine with. That's something I can dedicate myself to. This RNG isn't a grind. It's gambling. Those who like this are those who didn't have to put in the hours because they were lucky. If the first part was to do 30-50 fates in each area, I would be completely fine with that. You know why? Because that's an achievement. Let's see how those who got theirs in 8 hours will handle that sort of grind.

This is not a challenge for everyone. This is an irritating process in which I'm hoping I'm holding the right cards in my hands. I have yet to hear of anyone complaining about the second part either and I know plenty of people have completed the first part.

On day 4 received my 8th atma this morning. 4 more to go. I have no problem with grinding. What I do have a problem with is that it's been super easy for some people and harder on the rest. This should be a challenge for everyone.

[Luxx]

from what i've understood. this whole atma quest was asked from a section of the community that wanted a long time progression.
well, you got it, but they implemented all wrong.
very very wrong. for me, the problem is , u have this HORRIBLE rng, that i mean, all u doing is zerg rolling a fate? they also preset to us, no other way of obtaining atmas.


the problem: youre doing boring fates with horrid rng.
that's it. no one likes fates. no one at all lol. if u do, and been here for quite some time and tell me u like fates. i will have a hard time believing.
also low lvl fates. i mean these ppl are lvl 50, and they using 1-3 skills and they dont even give you new fates to do? lmao. lazy! xD
i mean throw us a bone, give a long string of quest or something! whos idea what to implement this to fates when just about everything
is almost always fate related...stop it! XDDD
a very lazy and quick thrown design imo.
i will not be doing this quest at all. sorry, they burned fates out for me long ago and i am damn sick of fates.
and when you think about it, it's not really "long time progression" you can get someone who's got a lot of pieces in a day...
then you got someone who has nothing after x amount of days. it's all in the luck of draw. very bad design.

[ErikMynhier]

Garlan has been trying to knock me all down since my NES days.

[LordSliver]

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I am just concerned on drop rates of the myth tomes for the roulettes since they are designed for older players to help new players. I believe the reward of Tomes should be significantly higher for Low Level Roulette, Main Story Roulette, and now Trial Roulette since they now made a separate roulette for the Primals.

As for Atmas, I havent done it yet because I just recently got my subscription back up and I am not sure where to go lol. But I have experience with RNG and I agree with you completely, anything that deals with RNG in this matter isnt Grind based. Grind in my opinion is when you work towards a guaranteed reward like in FF10, catching 10 monsters of 10 different locations for the Arena guarantees you get the Mars Sigil for Auron's Celestial Weapon. RNG is not grinding at all, its hoping that the game favors you this kill for the drop that you want.

[Amberion]

Grind in my opinion is when you work towards a guaranteed reward like in FF10, catching 10 monsters of 10 different locations for the Arena guarantees you get the Mars Sigil for Auron's Celestial Weapon. RNG is not grinding at all, its hoping that the game favors you this kill for the drop that you want.

So.. You are saying that you could get the right mob to spawn 100% of the time in FFX? If not, then it was just that the RNG was higher.

[LordSliver]

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RNG drops on items dealing with fates is different versus just killing a mob of monsters that randomly drops. Its killing the same boss with a group of people and you are the one that doesnt get the reward but the group leaves because they got theirs.

I was just using a game I been playing recently as an example of what people that complain are referring to, you put X amount of work in and you get the reward for effort. Atmas is where I can begin farming these fates and get lucky with getting each drop on the first kill of the fate. How would you feel if you been farming that fate for 2 days just for that one drop than I just walk in and get it on my first try?

There are RNGs on everything in this game but they arent complained about because they are setup in a way you only notice when another person rolls higher than you. When its fun you arent going to notice it for what it is.

[Amberion]

How would you feel if you been farming that fate for 2 days just for that one drop than I just walk in and get it on my first try?

Wouldn't really care. Thing like that happened all the time in FFXI.

If I don't like a piece of content, then I would only spend an hour here and there on it. There is after all other things to do in a game.

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It's like with lottery. I'm not bothered by the fact that someone else wins more/faster then me.

[Jinko]

You keep bringing up the same points in every post about the issue. Please realise in all probability that people will spend more time on the second part of the quest than the first even if you are terribly unlucky with the rng. Think about it for a second. 13500 myth, 27 dungeons, 27 fates and 900 mob kills.

The only reason people aren't whining about the grind in the second part is that they are still farming the Atmas. Even for a seasoned grinder like me, I'm not looking forward to the second part of the quest.

tldr: if you can't handle the rng, i think you should just skip this quest entirely because you are not going to enjoy the second part.

Well you are talking from your point of view, I don't mind the odd bit of grinding but what you mention above is two completely different things, one is a slog which you have no idea when you will complete the other is an objective which you can chip away at your own leisure.

There is a world of difference although some can't seem to see it.