I hope I'm wrong, but the Zodiac weapon quests..

[Kiroh]

I wanna know why you feel that you absolutely need the zodiac weapon. There are so many people that get along fine without using a relic weapon. If everyone in the game just constantly gets the same gear and weapons at the end, now that makes a game more interesting. You have something to work for and that feeling when you do get it will make all the trying worth it.

Except that's what we have the i115 Allagan weapons for.

That angst is delicious and pure.

Sure, whatever gets you off or helps you feel better about yourself...

Maybe but all I'm saying is you do not need the weapon to enjoy the rest of the game content, obtaining my relic did not feel good, I did not accomplish anything it was more like if you don't have it you are behind. I'd much rather work for 3 months or whatever to get a really awesome weapon and feel ahead but if I don't manage it then I don't feel behind because the weapon is rare like it should be.

You're basing what you need on what makes you feel special, I'm basing what I need on what makes the game fun for me. The game already has what you want, the i115 Allagan, I just hope the game will still have in the Zodiac weapons what I want, a reasonably strong weapon that's fun to work towards like relics were for me.

[Issachar]

Yes, working towards an objective with demonstrable results rather than stabbing everyone else in the back to get what I want is a failing on my part.

Enjoy waiting for your drop for 3 months, see you back in the forums when the RNG doesn't give you what you want right away to hear your complaints.

That angst is delicious and pure.

[Radxen]

Maybe but all I'm saying is you do not need the weapon to enjoy the rest of the game content, obtaining my relic did not feel good, I did not accomplish anything it was more like if you don't have it you are behind. I'd much rather work for 3 months or whatever to get a really awesome weapon and feel ahead but if I don't manage it then I don't feel behind because the weapon is rare like it should be.

[RyuDragnier]

Maybe but all I'm saying is you do not need the weapon to enjoy the rest of the game content, obtaining my relic did not feel good, I did not accomplish anything it was more like if you don't have it you are behind. I'd much rather work for 3 months or whatever to get a really awesome weapon and feel ahead but if I don't manage it then I don't feel behind because the weapon is rare like it should be.

I'm with Kiroh, that's basically what the Allagan/EX primal weapons are. Which is totally cool and fine for people who love that sort of thing like yourself. For others like me, the relic quests are what we strive for, to overcome a series of trials for the guaranteed creation of our weapon, something that stands as a symbol for the trials we conquered. Personally I don't look at somebody with an Allagan weapon and think "Oh wow he did something awesome to get it!" All I think is "Damn, dude got massively lucky."

[Draken]

Have fun playing alone Issachar

[File2ish]

I'd much rather work for 3 months or whatever to get a really awesome weapon and feel ahead but if I don't manage it then I don't feel behind because the weapon is rare like it should be.

As long as it's not super ridiculous and not insanely time consuming like these (among other examples), I'll be happy:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Trial_3597

and

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Trial_2772

[Drivont]

So long as they don't involve farming Primal Ex kills while server-side hit detection is still in place, I'm happy.

Garuda Ex is the upper limit of what's possible with my lag. Titan Ex is just simply unplayable, not due to skill/pattern memorisation, but simply due to latency between my client and the server due to my ISP doing traffic shaping, and I refuse to pay $15/month just for the "chance" at making this game playable in extreme Primals.

Of course, given the pattern of how this game has gone so far for the better equipment, it will be something just like that. You only get the chance at the good stuff if you are lucky enough to live on the same continent as the servers, and/or are willing to pay for something like WTFast, on top of the existing subscription fee.

there was a note recently that said latency was improved further.... can't remember where, but it's in the notes somewhere

[ZephyrAM]

Honestly, I just don't want the Zodiac progression to involve anything over a 4-man dungeon. Ideally, it'll be mostly quests, maybe FATE's, and 'possibly' a trial like Chimera/Hydra were.

Just 'lots' of them.

Make us gather guaranteed drops. Make us kill lots of stuff. Make us talk to people all over the world. Hell, make us required to visit certain places in the world at certain times of day (Eorzea time) while there's certain weather effects if that's what it takes. Just don't make us spam end game stuff repeatedly searching for RNG drops...

[Airikay]

I was thinking it went more :

Relic >
Relic Zenith >
Relic Atma or Relic Animus (depending on what stats you wanted the final weapon to have) >
Meld with Weathered Zodiac through Gerolt >
Zodiac 110

Though really we could both be completely off-base and the Atma and Animus could be part of the relic upgrades while the Weathered and 110's could be part of some new weapon entirely like Gerolt's Masterworks.

To be honest we just won't know for sure until either SE explains it, or the patch goes live.

How long until this guy realizes he posted the exact same thing.

[Zakalwe]

So long as they don't involve farming Primal Ex kills while server-side hit detection is still in place, I'm happy.

Garuda Ex is the upper limit of what's possible with my lag. Titan Ex is just simply unplayable, not due to skill/pattern memorisation, but simply due to latency between my client and the server due to my ISP doing traffic shaping, and I refuse to pay $15/month just for the "chance" at making this game playable in extreme Primals.

Of course, given the pattern of how this game has gone so far for the better equipment, it will be something just like that. You only get the chance at the good stuff if you are lucky enough to live on the same continent as the servers, and/or are willing to pay for something like WTFast, on top of the existing subscription fee.

Without for a second excusing the architecture and server locations SE chose that are the source of persistent lag for many players, there are less expensive (and often more reliable) VPN options out there.

A tech savvy FC mate got me set up on a custom VPN built on a Digital Ocean 'Droplet'. That Droplet only costs $5 a month and has the capacity to cover 10-15 VPNs. One other FC mate and I share that Droplet so far. It has made a huge difference for me.