1,000 reasons why Archer/Bard needs a non healer limit

[Dijana]

You had one bard who decided to blow LB for a stupid reason...how many other times has that happened? Doesnt have to be the bard that does that, anyone could. I did a roulette the other day and ended up on copperbell, we were ignoring the adds and burning boss, the adds finished breaking the walls and ran over, I told the monk to use LB to finish off the boss quickly since the adds would be running at the healer. We had a bard, but he didnt use LB, the conjurer did, because the adds were chasing him and he didnt want to die. But of course they continued to chase him, because we didn't have the LB anymore to finish off the boss quickly, so the healer was busy running around instead of healing.

I've had way more experiences with bards using their LB to save the fight after the healer/s died, than I have with them wasting it.

[Slatervonjager]

Oh yeah, again, bard is not a dps. It has been made that way because there are no support jobs in FFxiv currently.

To be fair, NO CLASS is DPS. DPS is a statistic measure of your damage output. No class is a "damage per second", that's why ff11 had it right by calling them DDs, damage dealers. And yes Bard is a DD class, but at the same time they're not. They're a Damage Support class, or DPS Support if you prefer.

You had one bard who decided to blow LB for a stupid reason

If you think that this is the only time I've seen or had anything like this happen, then you are mistaken. That was a single story.

If a bard is forced to limit to save the party from a wipe, then your party is doing something very wrong, or your healers are trash, or your tanks are trash. If preventing a wipe is the only reason anyone can come up with for keeping it, then it's not a good enough reason. As said multiple times, a support type limit would be better for bard that isn't healer limit. A party wide buff or enemy debuff would be excellent. It would stay in tune with the fact that Bards a DPS Support class, designed to provide assistance to their team, while also providing debuffs to the enemy, and having the ability to put out good damage. Giving them a limit that coincides with that would be more fitting to the purpose of the class.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

To be fair, NO CLASS is DPS. DPS is a statistic measure of your damage output. No class is a "damage per second", that's why ff11 had it right by calling them DDs, damage dealers. And yes Bard is a DD class, but at the same time they're not. They're a Damage Support class, or DPS Support if you prefer.

Sophistry.

The whole DPS vs DD debate was settled long ago. Perhaps it went to calling them DD (but what do you call DoT classes then?) in FF11, but in the majority of MMO's they were called DPS and have been for well over a decade.

Every class puts out some kind of DPS. Those whose role it is to put out damage primarily, whether it be melee, ranged, nuke, or DoT, are referred to as DPS. Those whose role is not to put out damage, but instead to soak it up, are referred to as Tanks. Those whose role is not to put out damage, but to heal it, are referred to as Healers.

So why not call them DD instead of DPS? Because DD refers to a type of spell, as well : Direct Damage. Also referred to as Nukes, they are damage applied instantaneously after the spell is cast. Their counterpart is the Damage over Time spell, or DoT. These spells do damage gradually, over the course of the spell effect.

DPS refers to what those classes do, and is also the measure of how well they do it. DD may refer to what some classes do, but it does not refer to how they all do it.

[Dgsoil]

Sophistry.

The whole DPS vs DD debate was settled long ago. Perhaps it went to calling them DD (but what do you call DoT classes then?) in FF11, but in the majority of MMO's they were called DPS and have been for well over a decade.

Every class puts out some kind of DPS. Those whose role it is to put out damage primarily, whether it be melee, ranged, nuke, or DoT, are referred to as DPS. Those whose role is not to put out damage, but instead to soak it up, are referred to as Tanks. Those whose role is not to put out damage, but to heal it, are referred to as Healers.

So why not call them DD instead of DPS? Because DD refers to a type of spell, as well : Direct Damage. Also referred to as Nukes, they are damage applied instantaneously after the spell is cast. Their counterpart is the Damage over Time spell, or DoT. These spells do damage gradually, over the course of the spell effect.

DPS refers to what those classes do, and is also the measure of how well they do it. DD may refer to what some classes do, but it does not refer to how they all do it.

Completely irrelevant post to the subject, but as the person you quoted said, in 11 it was used to mean "Damage Dealer" instead of "Direct Damage"
Obviously this isn't important to the majority of MMO players and I personally have no issue with the DPS tag, it's what the creators chose for us so it's what is right. Just next time you decide to talk down to someone at least read what they said. Ktnxbailuvu!

[Wildsprite]

So why not call them DD instead of DPS? Because DD refers to a type of spell, as well : Direct Damage. Also referred to as Nukes, they are damage applied instantaneously after the spell is cast.

except most of the people I know call what you call "Direct Damage" "Burst Damage" and still call their DPS classes/jobs DD as in "Damage Dealers" because quite frankly DPS is a BS term when referring to classes/jobs like Arcanist and Summoner. BLM and WHM do Burst Damage spells MNK and WAR do Burst Damage actions
that debate you mentioned was never really settled and it wont be because too many people disagree with your usage of the terms

[Rubieus]

Personally I think they should add a new LB ability, that bards and other support classes would use, casts refresh, regain and regen or something.

[Slatervonjager]

Personally I think they should add a new LB ability, that bards and other support classes would use, casts refresh, regain and regen or something.

See that would work too, something that could throw up a temporary super ballad with a few other effects. There are a lot of better ideas for Bard limit then just saying "hey, we'll give them the same limit as healers".