Honestly, let SE make as much money as they can.

[Delsai]

Because a vanity cash shop is a scam. SE already gives us "vanity" with events, new dungeon gear, and new crafting recipes. You're essentially telling them to lower the value of the subscription you're already paying because a vanity cash shop would be nothing more than SE taking out content they would normally give us in a update and charging people extra for it. People have some delusion that adding a vanity cash shop magically adds vanity items that they wouldn't already been getting in updates if they hadn't bent over to corporate greed.

So let me get this straight. You go out to eat at lets say "QQ Burger".
You order a QQ Burger with a drink and fries. Total cost is $5.99
The cashier ask would like a lets say add a "Cookie" for .59 cents.

Cookie may be sweet but it was optional with the meal you purchased and in no way effects your QQ Burger meal. The .59 cookie has minimal profit with a bulk goes to resources for making the cookie.

[Mardel]

Umm, they kind of do that with this. It would be like you can buy a pack of X materials each month, where x is how much 1 retainer can get max in that time.

It is also effecting crafters/gatherers/farmers, or anyone who puts up a lot of things on the market board.

Why I'm against things like these, is that they could make the game world so much more alive if they had these things in quests. Well, that and anything where you can buy things for your character with real world cash.

Well like I said in an earlier post.
1. You still have to farm up the tokens to send your retainers off on a quest.
2. This isn't going to help the bads clear new content any better. This is why crafted gear isn't top-end gear.
3. Unless a person can farm the tokens while farming something that makes them money it will not be as efficient as farming.

[Doo]

Because a vanity cash shop is a scam. SE already gives us "vanity" with events, new dungeon gear, and new crafting recipes. You're essentially telling them to lower the value of the subscription you're already paying because a vanity cash shop would be nothing more than SE taking out content they would normally give us in a update and charging people extra for it. People have some delusion that adding a vanity cash shop magically adds vanity items that they wouldn't already been getting in updates if they hadn't bent over to corporate greed.

So true. lol instead of getting it from an easy quest they most likely would of put it in, you get it for $4.95 at the cash shop store.

[Gramul]

So let me get this straight. You go out to eat at lets say "QQ Burger".
You order a QQ Burger with a drink and fries.
The cashier ask would like a lets say "Cookie" for .59 cents.

Cookie may be sweet but it was optional with the meal you purchased and in no way effects your QQ Burger meal. The .59 cookie has minimal profit with a bulk goes to resources for making the cookie.

Why does everyone automatically go to food for videogame pricing metaphors?

[Delsai]

Why does everyone automatically go to food for videogame pricing metaphors?

Easier for small minded people to understand.

[Ikeda]

So let me get this straight. You go out to eat at lets say "QQ Burger".
You order a QQ Burger with a drink and fries. Total cost is $5.99
The cashier ask would like a lets say add a "Cookie" for .59 cents.

Cookie may be sweet but it was optional with the meal you purchased and in no way effects your QQ Burger meal. The .59 cookie has minimal profit with a bulk goes to resources for making the cookie.

Your metaphor makes no sense. They would have to actually be adding something to the game they otherwise wouldn't have added for your metaphor to make sense. A vanity cash shop is nothing more than a illusion of new content. Those vanity items they put in it aren't items they wouldn't of made if they never had a vanity cash shop. They're items that they were originally going to add to the game in a update, saw that there were suckers stupid enough to pay extra for something they were already getting for their monthly subscription, took it out of their planned content update and slapped a extra price tag on it and called it a "new vanity item". It's nothing more than a scam to take advantage of people that are more than willing to throw their money at things without thinking straight.

[Gilthas]

Gotta love the double dip.
XI still better MMO XD. We only had 1 mount... hard to believe it was a Chocobo. Probably will be another 5 months until we start buying Mounts in this game.

You apparently forgot the part where people had to pay for mules to store their gear in FFXI (not to mention that service fees were substantially more expensive in Euros than they are now with ARR).

[Yshnal]

Easier for small minded people to understand.

It's curious when the one without the critical mind as to discern when something is not being priced fairly, and that insults others' intelligence instead of being civil and act like an adult, says that.

Re-read what you say before clicking "Post", folks, and be nice.

Back to the topic, I don't think that people are against SE making money, or that they don't want to support the game and the dev team, or that they don't understand that SE is not a charity and needs to get profits to run all this. What we're saying is that it doesn't sit well for us to charge for X (being the retainers in this case) while saying that you charge that because you need to pay the costs of it, when you ask yourself "WTF?" after you compare the possible costs of said X -and what they charge for the rest of the service and the costs that it has when compared to X- with what they're really charging for it.

Making it short (and clearer x_x), maintaining the extra retainers and getting a good chunk of profits doesn't make the 2$ that they ask, so we see it as a simple money grabber and not as something really needed for the game. Then, we look around and we see that other MMOs (besides FFXI, another SE game) don't charge you for inventory space, and even those that do and that are actually F2P (so no sub to make up for the costs of maintaining the extra inventory spaces) charge for it just once. So, in the end, we ask ourselves why are we paying a sub at all.

[Razzle]

No, I don't buy/care for vanity stuff. Matter of fact I never did it nor will I do it here. However, there are others who will, more power to them. Why would you care where their money is going?

Don't make this personal, other people finance is none of your business.

So because you don't care for "vanity stuff" I need to pay extra for it? I don't care to max my stats, can SE put a +9999 attack potions in their shop?

"Things that don't affect gameplay" is a broad term. What if part of my gameplay is vanity? Then it does affect my gameplay.

Saying "I want cash shop only for things I don't care about", is like saying you don't want to actually pay extra, because you're okay with a cash shop, as long as you don't want to buy anything from it. But you're okay with the cash shop having things other people want to buy from it.

That's pretty selfish.

[Mardel]

So because you don't care for "vanity stuff" I need to pay for it? I don't care to max my stats, can SE put a +9999 attack in their shop?

This is why SE won't listen to the crying threads about this, lack of logic and people jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

Look at this:


◆Entry
　　　Subscription Period: 30 days
　　　Fee: $12.99
　　　Number of playable characters: 1 per World and up to 8 per service account


◆Standard
　　　Subscription Period: 30 days
　　　Fee: $14.99
　　　Number of playable characters: 8 per World and up to 40 per service account

Legacy: Super cheap w/ benefits of standard.

Now think about it, if someone wants more space... atm they have no choice but to make an alt, while the retainer service would remedy this. If people really want "free" extra retainers level an alt. >.>