Why in god's green Earth do dungeons have a timer?

[Karnyboy]

Let me put in another perspective, you're learning a new dungeon, now I'm not talking about YOU the elite awesome player who never messes up, I am talking about you the player who does dungeons with friends to learn it through and through and enjoy that. Now you hit a tough spot where a boss seems to be taking up some time and you can't quite figure out why...so you repeatedly attempt different things until BAM, something works, awesome! Now you've already been in the dungeon for 85 minutes, there's not enough time to finish it anymore and you have 2 bosses to go. Sad thing is you work tomorrow at 5am and while you love playing the game and would love to attempt the rest you just can't spare another 90 minutes to repeat the dungeon over.

That's my gripe, some people are learning, everyone learns at a different pace in different ways. I don't have the time to repeat a dungeon I enjoy playign with friends just because one or two of us couldn't quite figure it out. I like ot be in a dungeon and learn it and get as far as I can and let MYSELF be the timer, I'll decide when too much is enough.

[illuminapanic]

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It took you 85 minutes to clear trash and get to 1 boss, what makes you think you had time for the other 2 if you had to leave as is?

[Karnyboy]

It took you 85 minutes to clear trash and get to 1 boss, what makes you think you had time for the other 2 if you had to leave as is?

I was totally giving you a scenario, not saying it was what happened, but every scenario can exist.

[ispano]

I was totally giving you a scenario, not saying it was what happened, but every scenario can exist.

In my opinion, given that scenario, those people should work on their learning skills. I don't expect most people to be able to figure something out in one shot, but I do expect them to actually try to learn if that's what they say they are doing/want to do.

[Maku]

Now you've already been in the dungeon for 85 minutes, there's not enough time to finish it anymore and you have 2 bosses to go. Sad thing is you work tomorrow at 5am and while you love playing the game and would love to attempt the rest you just can't spare another 90 minutes to repeat the dungeon over.

There is a flaw in your thinking. 1) You learned the boss finally and thus it would not take 85min to get past him the next time you do the dungeon. 2) You can't spare another 90minutes to repeat the dungeon over (even though it will take you far less time to get past that boss this time) because you have to work at 5am. Well in your situation you still have trash mobs and 2 bosses. If it took 85 minutes to kill the first boss (the easiest one, arguably) then even if the dungeon didn't have a time you wouldn't have enough time to get through the dungeon because of your 5am work. It would stand to reason that you would take a long time on the other two bosses and end up having to give up half way anyway.

SO, since you are playing with friends (you mention if you have friends you play with you shouldn't have a timer) why not just call it quits and be like "Hey, we did good and killed that guy and can do it again. Let's leave and do this again tomorrow and get even further in the dungeon."?

[Karnyboy]

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There is no flaw, because that was a hypothetical situation that could or could not exist. I am trying to stress that a dungeon timer is silly, it makes little sense since other games have flourished without them. I am not asking that a game mechanic be removed (because I understand it won't be), but the validity of it doesn't really seem to be a good debate point.

I don't know if you realize this or not but in said hypothetical situation, if it took 85 minutes to get to a boss then any additional time repeating the dungeon is still time lost and also taking steps backwards since you are doing the same thing to just get back to the last point where you were stuck. You see he point I am trying to make?

While I do agree that playing with your friends is nice because they can understand when it's time to call it quits it's "ok.", but that doesn't deter my point I am trying to make. I value your opinion, but to say that a situation is so easily fixed without knowing why a person is stuck on a boss in game and that it was the first one is rather presumptuous.

[Felis]

I don't know if you realize this or not but in said hypothetical situation, if it took 85 minutes to get to a boss then any additional time repeating the dungeon is still time lost and also taking steps backwards since you are doing the same thing to just get back to the last point where you were stuck. You see he point I am trying to make?

If a party need 85 minutes only to get to the first boss then they did something really wrong on the way. Doing the dungeon again from the start can help to go faster to the boss. Or the party should just go to the bed.

[illuminapanic]

There is no flaw, because that was a hypothetical situation that could or could not exist. I am trying to stress that a dungeon timer is silly, it makes little sense since other games have flourished without them. I am not asking that a game mechanic be removed (because I understand it won't be), but the validity of it doesn't really seem to be a good debate point.

I don't know if you realize this or not but in said hypothetical situation, if it took 85 minutes to get to a boss then any additional time repeating the dungeon is still time lost and also taking steps backwards since you are doing the same thing to just get back to the last point where you were stuck. You see he point I am trying to make?

While I do agree that playing with your friends is nice because they can understand when it's time to call it quits it's "ok.", but that doesn't deter my point I am trying to make. I value your opinion, but to say that a situation is so easily fixed without knowing why a person is stuck on a boss in game and that it was the first one is rather presumptuous.

You asked why there was a dungeon timer and people gave you a reason. You then proceeded to argue why it isn't a good enough reason to have it. Just because it's not good enough for you doesn't stop the fact that there is a reasoning behind it and was explained. You then proceeded as to why it was a bad idea with a very bad hypothetical situation in which we pointed out to you.

I'm very sorry to say but you (any players stuck in this situation)would seem to be a horrible player if you took 85 minutes to only just get past the first boss in a dungeon. A majority of the bosses in these dungeons are pretty straight forward. Kill adds, dodge stuff, kill boss = win. The only boss that I can think of, where anyone would have trouble, is the Cyclops in Aurum Vale. The only reason is because he does not have any red indicators for people to follow from his attacks and you would have to pay attention to his casting bar.