Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

But how does capping a Lv.30 dungeon to Lv.30's hurt the mid content players if mid content is so important? They will be doing the dungeon at the MID level. What it adds to the game is a challenge for EVERYONE not just the mid level players. It adds two facets of content really.

The entitlement of this community to have everything spoon fed to them is astonishing.

lol, entitlement has nothing to do with it. I'm not going to be forced to play a r30 dungeon when I could care less about mid-level content. So by your definition, they would be shooting themselves in the foot by excluding players who DON'T want to relive their days as a r30. Its pointless.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

They are improving the game for EVERYONE. Not just r50s. Mid level NMS and the mid level Dungeon are designed for MID LEVEL PLAYERS who will either return to the game after the patch, or join the game at PS3 launch. They are trying to learn from their mistakes like the first time we all leveled to r50 with NO content, and adding content for FUTURE players.

You have to take into consideration people who are above 35 but below 45. what about them? No dungeons, no challenging content, just boring leves. Between 35 and 45 why would you go into the level 30 dungeon if the rewards will be trivial for your level and if the challenge is non-existant?

While I'd rather the dungeons to have a cap or at least an optional cap for better reward, I'll pray that at least we get capped story missions...

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Again 10 years of FFXI says otherwise. Especially when the new Dev Team is not going to come out with more content for another 2-3 months.

IF YOU WANT A CHALLENGE DO THE R50 DUNGEON! HOW IS THIS UNCLEAR?

[Keftenk]

I'm in favor of them not returning to the horrible structure of CoP encounters. They were amazing, the best, but fck carrying around a bazillion types of gear just to do content that I'll never return to, or only do for a while.

[TheVedis]

But how does capping a Lv.30 dungeon to Lv.30's hurt the mid content players if mid content is so important? They will be doing the dungeon at the MID level. What it adds to the game is a challenge for EVERYONE not just the mid level players. It adds two facets of content really.

The entitlement of this community to have everything spoon fed to them is astonishing.

how does it help the mid content?
the mid content players dont need a cap

all a cap does is punish and hinder higher players and force them to be a lower level which they may not want

[Rentahamster]

For those who have started and who are going to start playing in the future, on the other hand, these kinds of mid-level content additions are extremely valuable.

The time in a player's life where their highest battle class is rank 30 is very very small. Once they hit 50 and decide to rank up an different class, they are NOT going to willingly redo the dungeon with their rank 30 sub-class if they can just steamroll it with their rank 50 class.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Because having content that is able to "be steamrolled" dooms it to become old and stale very fast. How long did the R30 NMs last? 2 weeks?

Also, there is little value associated to rank 30 dungeon rewards if you can just steamroll it with a rank 50 class.

If the only way to get good R30 raid gear was to complete the dungeon AT rank 30 the hard way, then you know that anyone who is wearing the raid gear is a good player and not some random scrub who just steamrolled a R30 dungeon at R50 because he couldn't beat it without Easy Mode.

Except that, when I want to show off how good a player I am I will be wearing r50 raid gear, not r30.

[Richard]

lol, entitlement has nothing to do with it. I'm not going to be forced to play a r30 dungeon when I could care less about mid-level content. So by your definition, they would be shooting themselves in the foot by excluding players who DON'T want to relive their days as a r30. Its pointless.

Who is forcing you into the dungeon? If you don't care about Mid content than don't DO mid content. How ignorant are you? For the people that WANT to do mid content and not steamroll through it we are pretty much SOL. For the people who already have capped DoM/DoW they are FORCED into doing at R.50.

[Ogun_Riastradh]

Because the new Dev Team designed better gear than the old team. But to think that this r30 gear is going to be the best for all time, ESPECIALLY with the release of a r50 dungeon is naive at best.

That is not to mention that ALL the gear you listed is dropped off world NMs, INCLUDING THE FFXI ITEMS. R75s were camping Leaping Lizzy just like level 30s. What point are you trying to prove there?

There is a chance that some of the new gear would be desirable for higher ranks, and that might be OK if it were dropping off open world mobs. But this is supposed to be instanced content designed specifically for a certain rank. While we could have a L75 camp LL and kill it in like 5 seconds, he still had to compete with the L15 too. The point is, because of the lack of challenge, you run through unopposed with little challenge until you get the gear you want. It just like having the new NM's that pop so fast and having high drop rates. People don't want this game stuck on <Easy Mode> forever.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

The game, as it is right now, is still being built really.
These two pieces of raid content are nothing but things to fill the gaps in content for mid-level players.
The only reason why the 25 dungeon will be obsolete quickly is because most people at this point in time already have a rank 50 battle class.
For those who have started and who are going to start playing in the future, on the other hand, these kinds of mid-level content additions are extremely valuable.

But yes, I hope they do well with the rank 50 dungeon.

While still valuable for the drops (i'd assume) the challenge will be non-existant for the majority because people, given the opportunity, will go the easy way and just bring high level friends to clear the dungeon for them.