"If you die twice, you're out"

[LillithaFenimore]

Okay I get it. How would you explain to rage quitters who do duty finder and do not get a win? I mean honestly, I usually do duty finder parties with the expectation that things will go wrong and a win is not going to happen. However, there are some hot heads that really get fired up cause of a fail on the first or second attempt.

Guess I'm just optimistic. I look at any try as progress and learning.

[Gandora]

Okay I get it. How would you explain to rage quitters who do duty finder and do not get a win? I mean honestly, I usually do duty finder parties with the expectation that things will go wrong and a win is not going to happen. However, there are some hot heads that really get fired up cause of a fail on the first or second attempt.

Guess I'm just optimistic. I look at any try as progress and learning.

We need more people like you on Ragnarok, I'm being serious.

[Araeya]

Does everyone who pays their $15/mo not have the option to play with people who have a similar play style/mindset? If it's not your play style, don't join! Perhaps join a learning group, or form your own group with guidelines you're comfortable with.

I find it a bit ridiculous that anyone should assume that the all leaders of "X deaths = replacement" parties are looking for a carry. Are some? Sure. Are all? Absolutely not. I formed learning parties for Titan X until I had a good grasp of the fight and consistently did not die. Then, I formed a "two death rule" PF and, after 3 people (amicably) leaving on their own after their 2nd deaths (to plumes and landslides, mind you), we downed him with zero mistakes. It was a polite, civil affair from start to finish, with no drama whatsoever.

Equally ridiculous is the derogatory use of the word "elitist" to describe players who want to play with others who have a similar play style. It's no different than the derogatory use of the word "casual" for players who don't prefer a hardcore play style. Unless you're an asshole to folks to don't share your gaming mindset, it's all just preference, and we all pay or $15/mo sub to play.

Just play the game with like-minded people and stop worrying so much about what everyone else saying or doing. It's more fun for everyone that way.

[scarletfoxxy]

here is a perfect example! I'm a good player@ I can do all primal fights with minimal mistakes as a PLD, BARD, or WHM! I can't do twintania at all. Wanna know why? I have no progression group willing to put up with my mistakes. EVERYONE wants people who have cleared or know the fight 100%. This kills my progression because unless i lie...i can't get in any twintania practice. Or i have to find a group of people who also need it but it seems the majority of the community struggle with turn 4 so finding people to do twintania is rare. So now i can't progress.

[Anemone_Valesti]

I apologize for the size of the Text. I figured since my bad eyes can read it, that anyone else can...though I am the one that wrote it xD. Gonna try to make it Larger...just didnt want to be inconsiderate and Post 6 times..

Ok now both just off in size, but I believe readable lol.

[SirDiscoFrog]

Guess I'm just optimistic. I look at any try as progress and learning.

Thats what I feel is wrong with a '2 strikes your out' rule. You are learning. To work with a new group. Granted it will not always end up as smooth as some expect it to be. It might take a couple swings at it before the group gets in the groove of things.

Id disagree that labeling for farm parties/strike outs is elitist. Thats understandable. As a guy who took a good 3-4 weeks to finally get his first Titan kill because of no one dodging or folk not knowing bombs I get the frustration and that want for a group who knows their stuff. The '2' strikes rule i'd say is kinda harsh and depending on the wording it can get elitist tho. I mean simple mistakes still can happen to the best of us. Maybe 3 or 4 deaths/strikes, since at that point something is consistently going wrong but 2? Puts on the pressure lol