Is there anything worth farming in this game?

[Gilthas]

*rolls eyes*

How about you actually read my posts?

I said that in FFXI the effort was front loaded, because the hard part was getting your craft to 100 and after that making gil was getting lucky on HQ's.

Then I said that in FFXIV the effort is continuous because you have to craft a lot and sell a lot.

Notice how I didn't say that leveling DoH's was hard, yet you keep harping on it. The actual effort in FFXIV comes from crafting a lot and selling a lot of stuff.

Because that's the thing with you guys. You want to have close to no competition, craft an item, and then sell it on the MB for a crap load of gil. Since you can't do that because SE chose not to make an economy based on rarity, you come to the boards to whine about how the economy doesn't work. Meanwhile, the people spamming 4-10k synths are making 100k per day, aka, the ones that actually make an effort.

[Gandora]

Its your words quoted above, not mine.

[Yukonjack]

When I was playing FFXI the economy worked fine because gil was needed.
As far as I can see, in FFXIV gil isn't even very necessary.
I get all my gear from dungeons and tomes. No one needs food.
Housing is with the FC and once you have your house and furnishings, what's left to buy?
SE's fear of RMT has made gil and crafting unnecessary.

I would beg to differ about food, there should be no excuse NOT to use food when raiding, and at least on Balmung food prices are still pretty high.

[SarcasmMisser]

For each seller to be making the same that I do per day with a single Titan run they have to be selling them for 700k. Last I checked those runs were selling for 200k on Phoenix. Still, those obviously make more money and I don't see a problem with that.

I'm sorry prices tanked on your server, they're still above 500k here and were 1m each for a good time, and I know on some servers they are still 1m. Even when they do tank if you were an early adopter you made more money than a crafter is going to right now, and can just sit on that big pile of gil with no effort. People still want big margins, because some are still getting it and they're commanding prices both in housing and the few rare goods in the market.

lol if you think I'm stuck on the forums complaining while you captains of industry are making the dough. I did hardly anything and I still made more than I'm going to use in a long time. I sit on savings and depend on an deflationary economy to increase my purchasing power.

I'll just be blunt, I don't believe your posts about crafting profits. Prices tanked on merc runs, but maps and crafting somehow hasn't tanked at a comparable rate? Markets with considerably less barriers of entry? Post sales logs or you're all hot air. You just want to justify your own activities and want to ignore all these good posts on profit compared to time.

[Gilthas]

Its your words quoted above, not mine.

Yeah, you just misinterpreted them... How old are you?

I'll just be blunt, I don't believe your posts about crafting profits. Prices tanked on merc runs, but maps and crafting somehow hasn't tanked at a comparable rate? Markets with considerably less barriers of entry? Post sales logs or you're all hot air. You just want to justify your own activities and want to ignore all these good posts on profit compared to time.

Of course you don't believe me. That's the problem with you guys, you think that if you're not selling stuff for at least 100k a piece that it's impossible to make gil. In the 6 weeks following the implementation of patch 2.1 I made 6,5 million gil by spamming the level 30-40 market. The highest price of what I sold? 10k. My sales tactic? Find stuff with a few or no HQs on it and put one on sale. When people undercut me I moved on to something else and came back when prices recovered. When I got tired of slaving to the MB I went back to leveling and had 8.2 mil for our house instead of the 1.7 I had before patch 2.1. Two weeks ago I gave some advice to someone in my FC that's saving up gil now, and now he's the one making 1 mil per week.

And yeah, I don't have sales logs. I wasn't expecting having to prove myself on the boards. But you can always make a character on Phoenix and check the MB yourself, that or just keep whining.

Lastly, about your profit versus time argument. Like I mentioned before, if it's not worth your time just stop selling on the MB, the people willing to make the effort will appreciate having less competition.

[Max_Damade]

I would beg to differ about food, there should be no excuse NOT to use food when raiding, and at least on Balmung food prices are still pretty high.

I stand corrected, Yukonjack.
As a bard, the foods I have found in FFXIV don't boost my dexterity, so I basically skip them.

I suppose I'm still stuck making comparisons to FFXI where you would never ever xp without food. If you ran out, you would borrow or buy food from a party member. Either that or you would leave the party to get food and come back. It was that important.
There was different food for every job, and varying degrees of how powerful the foods effects were. Some were extremely expensive. Dying in FFXI wasted your food and you lost xp.

Yeah... Good times. lol

[alhandra]

what the hell do you need gil for anyways? cant buy coil or myth gear with gil and the cash you need for repairs and food can be easily made just doing a couple of roulettes and dailies. Blame RMT and the shit heads that cater to it. because of them we will never be able to make nice things

[Blissa]

what the hell do you need gil for anyways? cant buy coil or myth gear with gil and the cash you need for repairs and food can be easily made just doing a couple of roulettes and dailies. Blame RMT and the shit heads that cater to it. because of them we will never be able to make nice things

Oh. idk things like player housing that's coming up. Look how much the FC house costs player housing wont be cheap

[Khronikos]

People need to understand that this is a young MMO. Me and my crafter lady make good money daily when we want to. We have over a million in the bank and I am her personal worker bee.

When things get sorted out I fully think food will be just fine. Harder and harder stuff will come down the pipe where you wont mind spending. And when houses FINALLY come down to real levels people will not be afraid. You guys needs to take a look at the MB, your peers, and manifest some abstract thinking skills. I value time in FF14 very much and I am on a strict budget. I have a million gil and I spend as well. Others can too but you need to know how to work the markets. And you also need to be smart enough not to topple the markets with your greed as that will end badly for all.

There is money there but people also need to realize it is a market that requires work and teamwork at that. You don't get **** for free anymore people. Work.

[Khronikos]

I stand corrected, Yukonjack.
As a bard, the foods I have found in FFXIV don't boost my dexterity, so I basically skip them.

I suppose I'm still stuck making comparisons to FFXI where you would never ever xp without food. If you ran out, you would borrow or buy food from a party member. Either that or you would leave the party to get food and come back. It was that important.
There was different food for every job, and varying degrees of how powerful the foods effects were. Some were extremely expensive. Dying in FFXI wasted your food and you lost xp.

Yeah... Good times. lol

I believe they are working up toward this at some point with hard modes. Right now they are trying to smooth the foundation. People are just too addicted to see the forest from the trees. Well they had better.

As others have said this game needs to grow its wings pretty soon.... and with that a more stable economy.