New Idea for future "Jobs"

[Exstal]

OP - Yoshi has mentioned "Advanced Jobs," in which he said something like WHM50/BLM50 = RDM. I would imagine, if that is the way they go, those jobs would be the "support" jobs they have been hinting at, it would end up like this-ish:

Do you have a link to this?

Didn't Yoshida also say Ninja will never be able to tank?

[Kitru]

Do you have a link to this?

I'm too lazy to find a link atm, but I recall that he was saying it was just one of a number of ideas they've had for expanding/progressing the existing job system.

Didn't Yoshida also say Ninja will never be able to tank?

Yes. Multiple times.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Didn't Yoshida also say Ninja will never be able to tank?

Yes. Multiple times.

Thank God!

[Twizffxi]

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Didn't Yoshida also say Ninja will never be able to tank?
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Yes. Multiple times.

Thank God!

Peoples aversion to ninja Tank is just silly. Don't get me wrong i know that ninja are not a Tank and should not tank but concept for them to be an EVASION tank is higher then any other class/job in the entire FF Universe.

The Use of Shadows to Absorb hits is Unique to Ninja.
And if you where Faced with a Person who use Ninjustu to Confuse, Disorientate, and Distract the Enemy from the MAIN force While Avoiding Damage as much as possible then YES Ninja can and should be Classified a Tank.
Yes they are Soft and can't take hits. But they would be considered a High Skill and Risk Job with a High Return Rate on Success.

If i was in a Fight with a Guy in Heavy Armor with a Sword/Board, Another with Heavy Armor and a Giant Axe, and then a Guy with Black Armor Which looked like there was 4-6 of them who was Darting Around.
My Focus would be on the Black Garb darting around as HE would the most Dangerous regardless of the Presence of the Heavy Tanks nearby.

Heavy Armor does not mean Biggest Threat.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

i know that ninja are not a Tank and should not tank

You should have quit right there while you were ahead.


The whole point of ninjas is to be stealthy -- to AVOID detection and fade into the shadows. They are the embodiment of the exact opposite of "holding enmity".
The idea of them purposely holding an enemies attention is silly.

The ONLY time Ninjas were remotely tanky is in FFXI, which was a terrible game and screwed up a lot of things about FF. It should not be used as a basis for anything ever.
I realize you likely disagree with that since your name is "Twizffxi" but surely even you must see that FFXI did a lot of crap to various classes to try to shoehorn them into an MMO context that just didnt mesh well with what they have traditionally always been in FF, Ninja perhaps most of all.

Ninjas dont want attention. They dont want enmity. They dont take hits well and dont magically dodge everything. They want to hide in the shadows, unseen, and wait for an opportune time to strike and then fade back into the shadows. Calling a Ninja a tank is like calling a Berserker a healer. I know it, the vast majority of FF fans (other than some ffxi fanboys) know it, and thank god Yoshi P seems to know it.

[Twizffxi]

The whole point of ninjas is to be stealthy -- to AVOID detection and fade into the shadows.

Correct Remain Hidden Until they Attack. Which Give them an Advantage and allows them to deal a Lethal blow. And then run away as they are not Suited for Sustained Combat? Incorrect. Ninja's would Attack and then be Chased. where they draw the target into a 1v1 or #v1 fight where they would have the Advantage. But this a game so that would never happen the ninja would have to stand and fight solo....

They are the embodiment of the exact opposite of "holding enmity".
The idea of them purposely holding an enemies attention is silly.

Until they Strike. at which Time any enemy which has not been killed in the initial attack is Acutely and INTENTLY aware of there presence and is Actively and purposely seeking to eliminate them. IE giving Chase or focusing soley on that target while being draw to a location where he would be at a disadvantage and surrounded. But this a game so that would never happen the ninja would just Disappear and could return to kill the target who's health wouldnt regenerate after the ninja left combat....

The ONLY time Ninjas were remotely tanky is in FFXI, which was a terrible game and screwed up a lot of things about FF.
I realize you likely disagree with that since your name is "Twizffxi" but surely even you must see that FFXI did a lot of crap to various classes to try to shoehorn them into an MMO context that just didnt mesh well with what they have traditionally always been in FF, Ninja perhaps most of all.

I disagree that FFXI was a Terrible game. Considering the Platform it was developed for and the Overall design it was good for its time. And its Performance shows that i am not only one to agree. But yes it did Shoehorn alot... no it didn't Players did. Ninja wasn't developed as a tank it was Frontline Melee/cast Hybrid that players shoehorned into the role.

Ninjas dont want attention. They dont want enmity. They dont take hits well and dont magically dodge everything. They want to hide in the shadows, unseen, and wait for an opportune time to strike and then fade back into the shadows.

So we agree that Ninja should be a DPS class. Good.
i was simply saying that Ninja ALSO used tactics that would incite Fear in their targets which would spread stories that would cause anyone to focus on anyone that resembles a Story. As i said before Heavy Armor does not mean Biggest Threat.

Players will use jobs how they want and Fit them into any roll they can. Dragoon OT in Garuda EX is a prime example of that. They are not meant to tank but they can do it since players choose to. i have Used my MNK to tank bossing in Dungeons and Monk is CLEARLY not a tank class right?

[Exstal]

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Dancer or Berserker is a better job.

[barbosa]

ninja was never meant to be a tank in 11 either yet it ended up being so..... but I wanna play ninja so bad no matter what role