Can't we do anything solo and improve?

[Artemiz]

]Meh, if you play an MMO with the intent to solo everything[/B], you picked the wrong game. Go play something else. .

Who said they wanted to do this?

I wish you people would stop inventing your own strawmen to defeat, it's bloody annoying.

[Renik]

well, this is an MMO, ofcourse it shouldn't be focused on solo playing, but the way this game is made is absurd, everything in this game is instanced, the only solo content is the storyline, which shouldn't be soloable at all, everything is instanced, the problem here is not the absence of soloable content, is the impossibility to try to solo content, and im talking about endgame content to gear my char or get tomes.

Some of you have said that this is an MMO, a genere that isn't mean to be played alone, well an MMO isn't mean to be a big lobby server made to have the players waiting to get into an instance. The MMO genere have a big base of solo players, not players that want to make everything solo, players like me that likes the chalenge of soloing and want to play party content only with a reduced group of close fireds.

For me this game is closer to be a multiplayer arcade game than a MMO.

[Zarzak]

There are many variations of an 'MMO', not all have forced-group content needed to unlock core features or character progression; FFXIV is a throw-back to the dark ages with the likes of EQ and FFXI where this is concerned.

UHH what? FFXIV uses the EXACT same model as everything BUT EQ/FFXI. Solo all the way until raid content is something WoW started. This game literally has nothing on common with either game. Which is unfortunate because those "dark ages" you speak of are still thriving communities where every MMO to follow the "modern age" MMO has gone to ruin within a couple years.

As to the comparison EQ to this game, you are wrong. When EQ started, it required grouping to get beyond the beginning. Later they were made to allow solo because their population dropped making it harder to find groups.

Maybe your out of the loop. But it is still that way. The people who could solo effectively in original content are the same as can effectively solo now. Hell they actually made soloing harder with the increase in summoning mobs. The average person wants to solo they have a very limited mob selection and have to fight things significantly below their level to accomplish this. Patch that just his test actually takes away 2-3 classes primary ways to solo.

A lot of you guys are sayin stuff like this but there is plenty of scope for single player play in an MMO, FF11 had this nailed for nearly a decade. You'd spend a few hours doing group play and then spend some time farming, working on trials, skilling up or leveling your NPC or whatever, there was never nothing do do, solo or in a group. It's not a case of one or the other, we can have both, quite easily.

None of which improved your character once you were lacking nothing but raid gear. You can literally solo up until raid quality gear.

[C-croft]

I don't agree with any of this post, I solo'd tons if FF11 and franky can only assume we played a different game. You're also exaggerating massively when you suggest it took 2 hours to regain the exp from one death, it took 15 minutes at the most unless your party was hopeless or you where soloing easy prey mobs. Deconstructing this post however is pointless because the discussion isn't "did you enjoy the solo content of FF11?" which you seem to have answered. The point I made is that we can have both solo and group content, we don't have to choose between one or the other like some are suggesting.

When did you start playing FFXI? Up till ToAU, soloing was not a viable solution with the exception of a couple very limited class combinations.

[Zarzak]

Some of you have said that this is an MMO, a genere that isn't mean to be played alone, well an MMO isn't mean to be a big lobby server made to have the players waiting to get into an instance. The MMO genere have a big base of solo players, not players that want to make everything solo, players like me that likes the chalenge of soloing and want to play party content only with a reduced group of close fireds.

For me this game is closer to be a multiplayer arcade game than a MMO.

This is a totally different topic. And I completely agree. I HATE instances. Open world dungeons are far superior and removes a lot of the "world lobby" situation.

But arguing against instances is a different matter from arguing for solo content.

[jones6]

That is great to see all the go play an offline game responses. I have played mmos since ffxi ps2 launch and mostly played solo. I soloed thief to 30 mostly with bloody bolts. Took a long time but it felt rewarding. I then switched to bst and I have yet to enjoy any class more in any game. I usually spend most of my time crafting. I enjoy the dynamics of virtual economies. Even with WoW I would gear up and go try and solo old dungeons. I really liked FATEs in this game. Enjoyable solo content you can do with a group. No one cares if you have the best gear or not. Dungeons just seem to be the heart of the game and I have never really cared for them.

[Renik]

This is a totally different topic. And I completely agree. I HATE instances. Open world dungeons are far superior and removes a lot of the "world lobby" situation.

But arguing against instances is a different matter from arguing for solo content.

My point is that it is impossible to solo anything when everything is instanced and pty locked, i would like to have solo content (i mean chalenging solo content to get tomes and gear, at a slower rate than party content ofcourse) but also to have the "chance" to try soloing every content in the game, like a lvl45 dungeon w/o lvl and ilvl caps.

[Mogi]

Why do we always have to rely on Duty and Party just to improve your character? where you can't really get any party mostly at the time when people are sleeping and you're one of those people who play very late? Once you get a Duty/Party, there's a chance that there will be a person with a negative attitude that you have to deal with or get irritated even if you try to ignore.

I mean, can't you play anytime you wish anymore? Yes, you can log-in very late, but to what?

Fates are solo and give very good exp

[Ryios]

Lol... this thread just reminded me of being tractored by a blm just to get accross jugner forest to get to jeuno at level 10.... And then the other time when My sneak wore off at the wrong time in Khazam's jungle and I trained half the jungle to the khazam entrance and people were dieing try to exit khazam for hours...

[Zarzak]

My point is that it is impossible to solo anything when everything is instanced and pty locked, i would like to have solo content (i mean chalenging solo content to get tomes and gear, at a slower rate than party content ofcourse) but also to have the "chance" to try soloing every content in the game, like a lvl45 dungeon w/o lvl and ilvl caps.

I agree but my point is that is NOT solo content. That is you outgearing/outleveling group content to the point that you can solo it. I'd do this too for giggles (hell EQ we would actually try and 1 up each other on what raid bosses we could go back and solo from expansions past.

Like I said I am 100% with you on the anti instance agenda. But saying "i'm going to go solo AK" doesn't make AK solo content. That makes you insanely geared. Just like a monk or dragoon tanking doesn't make them tanks. It just makes them and the healers geared to the teeth


And all this is the equivalent of some of these people killing mobs 10 levels below them in EQ/FFXI then posting "BS EQ AND FFXI ARE SOLOABLE !WT!UWT&!"

Killing mobs intended for people half your level does not mean the game is soloable. NASA scientists don't compete in elementary school science fairs.