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  1. #11
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    Nichigo's Avatar
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    Hououin Kyouma
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Your setup is exactly what i have on my BiS wish list for scholar. I'm so far away though. congrats!
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  2. #12
    Player Zaft's Avatar
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    Leo Strut
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Maku View Post
    Way to attack people for having an opinion. I main SCH by the way. There is only a 3 DET difference between Allagan and Vortex. Vortex is the only things with SS on it that she has and that .01 that she thinks helps (even though she is allowed to have that opinion) is probably just her imagination. SS not stacked is a useless stat in my opinion and in many others. More PIE means more max MP, more Natural MP recovery and even though we don't OOM this allows for more uses of Aldoquin (sp) and thus more chances at crit shields which is the SCH specialty.

    By the way I wrote this before I noticed you switched to Allagan Boots. I prefer Royal.
    8 DET is approximately +2HP per Physick. 11 SpS is 0.01 second off both your cast time/GCD, as well as your pet's cast time/GCD. In other words, SpS is essentially twice as effective on SCH than it is on WHM.
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  3. #13
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    Hibiki Uta
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaft View Post
    8 DET is approximately +2HP per Physick. 11 SpS is 0.01 second off both your cast time/GCD, as well as your pet's cast time/GCD. In other words, SpS is essentially twice as effective on SCH than it is on WHM.
    I personally feel that Eos is also the reason that I can weigh Crit so heavily. She can crit as well, and her heals certainly aren't bad.
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  4. #14
    Player Zaft's Avatar
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    Leo Strut
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabeta View Post
    I personally feel that Eos is also the reason that I can weigh Crit so heavily. She can crit as well, and her heals certainly aren't bad.
    Enhanced Pet Actions + Adlo also make crit extremely important.
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  5. #15
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    Jumpy Puppet
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maku View Post
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    you aren't accounting for the fact that SS now affects fairies and that if you're speccing for crit you'll have a good amount of SS naturally. a piece of gear doesn't exist in a vacuum; its stat values are, obviously, added to those from the rest of your equipment. i'm 2 pieces away (omni zenith->allagan; royal gloves->allagan) from what i strongly believe is full crit-spec BiS (ie what is pictured in the OP) and with that setup you end up with something like 300+ SS. you are correct that piety has its uses. you are also correct that 11 spell speed is meaningless *if that's the only SS you have.* but those leftover amounts add up to something beneficial; if not for you, then for your fairy, which as we know is slower post-2.1. there is also the "only" 3 additional DET, each point of which, unless something changed, affects fairy healing potency as much as a point of MND does for yourself. that's pretty big, and even if it weren't, it's no more useless than PIE.

    i also have to completely disagree about royal shoes being better than the allagan. why, because they have crit? i don't think you realize how heavily mind is weighted. unless we're talking about a 1-2 point main stat difference vs. a vast amount of secondary stat(s), the piece with the higher MND will almost always win out. 13 crit is in no way comparable to 3 MND.
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    Last edited by jumpypuppet; 01-22-2014 at 12:50 PM.

  6. #16
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    Marcusow86's Avatar
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    Natsu Sousuke
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Vit till you can survive the encounter > MND > CRIT > DET > SS > everything else

    I basically use the above as baseline to value my gear. No Doubt SS is good but i would prefer Crit build over SS simply because i take my chances :P
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  7. #17
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    Rinoa Heartily
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Thanks for all the /congratulations I still find myself checking every time I wake up to see if it was a dream =)

    As for the debate between MND/CRIT, I honestly think that just one extra crit on an adloq is more worth than 3-4 heal damage, which I observed from (not parsing, just healing myself a few hundred times) is gained from 3 MND on adloquium, and 6 heal damage for physick. My heal from the Royal Boots vs Allagan was about that much difference. Then it struck me, 1 crit adloq is essentially 3k healing or 4.5k on warriors fully buffed.. And it does save you out on tight situations as well. It allows you to do a lot of stuff during the window that the 2k/3k shield is up, an extra succor, a few extra stoneskins, some gamble on energy drains ( I do this even on Twintania, bad SCH bad!) to restore MP cause you don't wanna waste those lustrates...etc. Personally, I'd rather buff up my chances to crit than boosting my not-so-potent heals with 3-4 extra amount, but that's just me.

    As for PIETY.. Never in any fights as a WHM or SCH I ever run out of MP if no one died over 3 times. 4 times is when it starts to get hairy, and even that is if I do all the resurrecting. I don't think it's a very good stat considering all the encounters that we currently have. Maybe in the future, but who knows =)

    On a side note, I don't think I've achieved the TRUE AND ULTIMATE BiS cause direwolf ring of healing and boots seems so far...those two are 16 crit each. I haven't even done PVP 8D
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  8. #18
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    AldoVonAlexandros's Avatar
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    Aldo Von'alexandros
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    Leviathan
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    OMG, an Allagan Grimoire, im so jealous
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  9. #19
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    Jumpy Puppet
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    i just wanted to needlessly bump this thread and say that as of last night (when my book dropped) i have the exact same loadout. hooray for me
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  10. #20
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    Yui Sasaki
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    Shiva
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by jumpypuppet View Post
    i also have to completely disagree about royal shoes being better than the allagan. why, because they have crit? i don't think you realize how heavily mind is weighted. unless we're talking about a 1-2 point main stat difference vs. a vast amount of secondary stat(s), the piece with the higher MND will almost always win out. 13 crit is in no way comparable to 3 MND.
    MND is not as heavy weighted as you think it is.

    After some testing i realized that 1MND = 1.6Healpts. on Physick which is pretty much nothing. On Adloq even less. Of course, it's up to you which stat you prefer.
    Anyway congrats on your book.
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