People need to speak up more for Alchemist buff.

[Mikara]

Doesn't change the fact that the actual useful applications are VERY limited and still not worth spending the time / money on wasting when food does a much better job over the course of the fight (or many fights if you are farming them).

[ToraFomalhaut]

I'm a level 50 alchemist, and I won't even bother with potions. Why? Because why bother with the time, effort and or cost required to acquire them when I can clear content without them?

Yes I understand SE's stance on the matter, I'm just saying that that stance leaves Alchemist in its current state lacking in it's ability to effectively contribute to the economy. There is never a market for anything that doesn't have a driving need. And currently in FFXIV there is no driving need for these items.

People perceive them as useless because in reality they see no real use for them, because they do not need them.

[Crevox]

Doesn't change the fact that the actual useful applications are VERY limited and still not worth spending the time / money on wasting when food does a much better job over the course of the fight (or many fights if you are farming them).

Limited? Name one fight where you think they're not useful. Every fight has moments where they greatly increase encounter success, for every role.

As for the farming comment, like I said: the cost of that good quality food is the same cost of X potions over those X fights. Maybe the gil market doesn't agree, but the amount of effort to obtain them sure does.

And currently in FFXIV there is no driving need for these items.

There is no driving need simply because players don't know their usefulness. Not everyone clears all content with ease; there are wipes and failures on all content every day. Any one of those failures could have potentially been averted if potions were used (skillfully).

That's probably the one problem with potions: they require knowledge of when and how to use them. If you're sloppy and use them ineffectively, then yeah, of course they're going to be bad. But I've already provided tons of explanations on how and where to use them.

[Zaels]

I'd honestly rather consumables be a staple for the hardest dungeons, just so there'll at least be more demand in this currently horrible market economy.

Crafters definitely need more value in this game.

[ToraFomalhaut]

The thing is in ffxiv people aren't wiping because they don't have min max gear and potion rotations but because they didn't respond accordingly to the next move in a bosses sequence.

[Crevox]

I'd honestly rather consumables be a staple for the hardest dungeons, just so there'll at least be more demand in this currently horrible market economy.

Crafters definitely need more value in this game.

Still, at the moment, I don't see how anyone can say alchemists are in poor shape. They have more long term worth and marketing power than the majority of other crafters; the only one that is probably better is CUL.

Can't blame SE for people not knowing how good potions are. I'm not saying I have a solution, but buffing potions is not the answer.

The thing is in ffxiv people aren't wiping because they don't have min max gear and potion rotations but because they didn't respond accordingly to the next move in a bosses sequence.

Now we're straying off topic. That's a completely different problem for another time.

People want gear. People want stats. People want power to do better in encounters. Potions do exactly that; their effectiveness is simply poorly judged.

[Mikara]

I'm done trying to talk to this guy, he is obviously high / drunk on the amount of potions he has drank. Please seek rehab as soon as you can.

[Crevox]

I'm done trying to talk to this guy, he is obviously high / drunk on the amount of potions he has drank. Please seek rehab as soon as you can.

The ultimate counter argument

[Feilina]

I reported the Rep, as I did with the last two statements surrounding crafting.

What they say is:
Crafting is not needed, we have dungeon drops for you.
Crafting is not needed, we want you to bring a healer and don't make him obsolet.
Crafting is not needed, because everything you need can be bought along the way you level.

CRAFTING is in your game, it is covered with 8 classes.
WHAT are your plans?

Clearly your numbers are off or the person in charge responsible of reading the numbers is not willing to risk any single bit or simply unable to.

My decision is my wallet, you want some of my money, earn it. You won't earn it this way.

[ToraFomalhaut]

Now we're straying off topic. That's a completely different problem for another time.

People want gear. People want stats. People want power to do better in encounters. Potions do exactly that; their effectiveness is simply poorly judged.

Actually we are right on target with the discussion. You are arguing for potions by saying there is a need because people are wiping in encounters all the time. My counter to that is that it's not because they aren't using potions but because they've not reacted accordingly in a heavily scripted fight.

Potion usefulness is not required to complete content. People will not invest time and money in something that isn't required to complete content.