SE it's time for A new Job Please. (Tank)

[silentwindfr]

@EdwinLi: the stats of our class are irevellant in face of the role they are filling. Bard maybe the only class using Dex stuff, but at the same time it's still a ranged class. indeed it's a dps/support, but still a ranged class, the stats have no relatition with this... people look for find a way to justify the add of a class (dps/tank/heal) based on detail like this... but Yoshida have already said that for a class to be added it need to fill a role a need for the group.

@XanderOlivieri: the 2.2 is called maelstrom...because we will fight leviathan... and leviathan element is the water.

for the Evasion tank, if he can mitigate all the damage... it become overpowered... and some attack can't be evaded... an evade tank will have less defense the other... if he can't evade... he die.
i prefer see a true magical tank.

for the samurai, like i did say it will not be different of the warrior. it will bring nothing new to the tanking and magical attack can't be parry... making it hard for get a parry tank in the game.

anyway, if, and i say if, they add a tank... i think we need to look in direction of the Lancer, maybe the templar.

[Jadi]

It seems like Warriors and Paladins are too similar is also part of the problem. I think most people see them as more or less the same class/job. Paladins should somehow be more magic oriented tanking and warriors more classic tanking role.

In 1.0 PLD was originally a strait tank, it was also a caster job. They had a spell interruption trait, and a unique heal. MP management was actually important to PLD on 1.0.

WAR was a hybrid DPS tank mainly blood tank. They could tank well even though it didn't really mitigate damage as well as PLD, nor did it do damage like a MNK or DRG, however in fights were DPS check was important, WAR usually got preferred over PLD.

BRD was a hybrid DPS/Support and it heavily centered on casting spells and songs. It's subjobs were CNJ and THM.

I think we lost something when we changed this.. because the dynamic nature and identity of the jobs has been reduced to 4 roles.

[Sadana]

Dark Knight as a tank with Greatswords? Yes, please!
Big early-game Cecil (FFIV) fan here. <3

[Sakasa]

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Valid point wasn't thinking of it as a hardware aspect but more so as a population spread. Because xping in dungeons as well as a fate party here and there is normal on balmung so the big strain would now be on the duty server again similar to story/myth grind more so then the world as a whole. But you are right some npcs still break on balmung all the time. The population boom is not really a bad thing as it would give a boost to alot of other functions to the game but there is alot work that would go into the entire game not just new content. Adjustment to gear table, specific new weapons, and database expansion for all the new gear which will cause work across all the teams so I guess I wasnt considering how grand a venture it was.

[MageBlack]

I would love to see a caster tank. Are there any examples of this in other games that we could draw inspiration from?

the way I'd imagine it to work would be either through shields, defense buffs, or evasion buffs or a large combination of the three. Add in (element)Spikes for damage dealt back and I think it would be a fun tank class. Or something that will change damage dealt from HP to MP. I dunno.

I just want to see something new and different in this FF than other FF titles. I would like to see something along the lines of an Aetherite Mage/Knight that uses crystalline weapons and armor. Draws directly on the Aetherite as a source of strength.

Also something I would like to see is Advanced Jobs eg; Thaumaturge/Black Mage/Black Wizard but this will be for an expansion if it were to come about.

Another interesting concept I've heard was Jobs for crafting/gathering classes wherein they specialize in a particular aspect of their field, eg; Blacksmith/Bladesmith or Botanist/Lumberjack or Herbalist (hopefully the examples i gave are pretty much self explanatory.) These are but a few examples meant to spark imagination rather than rehashing the same requests for things we will most likely see anyway.

[NyneAlexander]

I would love to see a caster tank. Are there any examples of this in other games that we could draw inspiration from?

Jedi Shadow in SWTOR. For all the problems swtor had, I had SO MUCH FUN playing a midrange caster tank as a jedi shadow.

[Jadi]

I would love to see a caster tank. Are there any examples of this in other games that we could draw inspiration from?

Yes, look no further than FFXIV version 1.23.. the caster tank was called PLD.

[MageBlack]

Jedi Shadow in SWTOR. For all the problems swtor had, I had SO MUCH FUN playing a midrange caster tank as a jedi shadow.

Sounds interesting, I'll have to check it out.

Yes, look no further than FFXIV version 1.23.. the caster tank was called PLD.

not quite what I was getting at. Still wore heavy armor, sword and shield, high HP, high natural defense, and was otherwise a traditional tank class only with a few healing spells to help out.

[NyneAlexander]

Light armor. There was a tank "stance" (alot like cleric stance) which gave a huge defense buff. However, most damage was mitigated by shields, and cooldowns we're based on shield boosts and evasion if i remember correctly. It was mad fun.

Also, the two other specs to this class were both DPS. One was positional burst the other was a dot spec.

[MageBlack]

Light armor. There was a tank "stance" (alot like cleric stance) which gave a huge defense buff. However, most damage was mitigated by shields, and cooldowns we're based on shield boosts and evasion if i remember correctly. It was mad fun.

Also, the two other specs to this class were both DPS. One was positional burst the other was a dot spec.

Fair enough, forget I said anything then. PLD is a mage tank, at least in 1.23