The Actual truth about the housing system.. please read..

[Axlle10]

1. $100 on RMT easy)

2 (doing mindless tasks for hours on end)".
3 And by getting ahead, it seems you're talking about getting a small virtual place where you will spend less then 5% of your time.
4I'd rather play naturally and buy a house as prices fall.

If I wanted to work, there are plenty of better places where I can be a workaholic.

1.rmt money used would cause your entire FC to lose their plot and gil invested into plot.
2.And not everything that requires you to work hard is mindless and boring. we had a hell of a fun time with our crafting/spiritbonding/dungeon running. it was for me a fantastic experience with my FC.
3. This is a forum for a game i do believe, so y would i not be talking about getting ahead in the game that this relates too? not sure quite what you meant.
4. So do just that, that is exactly what my posts have been saying.

[OSUBuckeye4]

so i guess words will be put into my mouth that everyone takes WAY out of perspective. think of it this way, mcdonalds =$8 an hour, Psychiatrist=$150, who worked harder to get where they were? who put the TIME and EFFORT into it.

Why are you talking about professions which generate income, in comparision to the frivelous purchasing of something that provides no utility at this piont in time?

Look at it this way:

Brand new 2014 Honda Accord is $21,680

Brand new Rolex New Style Men's Day-Date Yellow Gold President Champagne Diamond Dial - 18K Fluted Bezel- Presidential Bracelet 36 MM 118238 watch is $28,100.


One of those products is going to get you places and provide a ton of utility.

The other is going to rest on your wrist and you might check it a few times a month to see what time it is. (truthfully though, you're probably going to go for your cell phone or just look at a clock in a room 99% of the time you want to know the time)


Only two types of people buy the $28,000 rolex... people who are FILTHY rich, and idiots.

Someone who saves up every penny for years to buy a rolex is an idiot. The ulitity provided by a wristwatch is minimal when compared to comparable products in that pricerange. (i.e. a car, which will get you places you need to go, or the downpayment on a rental property that one could use as a source of revenue generation)


Right now, FC housing is a rolex. It is a status symbol and nothing more.

Also, it's depreciating in value every 6 hours. Which makes it a poor example to a Rolex, which is at least made out of precious metals that could potentially raise in value over time.



My point? Stop comparing FC housing to working a job. Housing isn't a job, it's a purchase. There are wise purchases and there are stupid purchases, right now FC housing is a stupid purchase for everyone outside of people who are, again, FILTHY rich.

If you and your FC are proud of your purchase, that's great. If you all had fun working together to pool up the gil necessary, again, that's awesome and more power to you. Don't let me tell you that you didn't have a good time doing it if you know you did.

Trying to tell others they are stupid for not "working as hard" (in a freaking video game) is ridiculous though. There is no incentive to work hard for something that is going to drop in price every 6 hours (scheduled and announced) and which provides ZERO utility at this point in time.

And for the love of God, stop comparing FC housing to working a job! Working a job is a source of revenue generation, which is in no way comparing to purchasing FC housing, which is a complete gil sink. A more apt example would be a McDonald's employee spending his entire paycheck on Air Jordan sneakers on release day... it's a stupid (luxary) purchase because you're never going to get a RoI (return on investment) on a pair of Air Jordan's and you're going to get minimal utility. Everything Air Jordan's can do, a pair of Converse All-Stars can do at a fraction of the price. You're paying a ton of money for a brand, not for actual utility. For someone who is fility rich, who cares, money isn't a object. For someone who is looking to make a rational purchasing decision, Air Jordan's are a TERRIBLE investment.

[Xystic]

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In a logical sense, buying something with little utility is not very logical. So your argument has a logical point.

In logical sense, telling someone not to buy what they like, is not very logical.

FC housing do havw some perks to it right now. No specific features but definite social status perks.

If you aren't aware of it right now, the battle for ward 1 in all three cities is beginning on some servers. Like players who rush to get server first, its a rush to be on ward 1 of the three major cities. If your any of the Power house FCs or a FC that wants to be recognized, you'll be want to be on ward 1 amongst all the other powerhouses and not ward 5.

I've definitely seen a small FC lot boost recruitment levels for certain guilds. Instead of spamming for recruitees, recruitees are now spamming them.

Its not completely entirely useless.

[Axlle10]

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its the whole reason i compared it to a job, its the same CONCEPT, to better understand something it is psychologically proven that putting one situation in place of another that has the same CONCEPT more people are likely to understand it. and your post proves my point even more. both are frivolous expenses compared to the alternatives of spending no money and taking a public bus instead of buying that 21k car. and buying a cheap watch from walmart for $5 instead of that 28k, all these have the same utility, all do the same job. its the same CONCEPT.

please, putting words into other peoples posts is ridiculous. no where did i ever say anyone was stupid.

the utility that it has provided us is fun and entertainment. isnt that the whole reason we play this game?

[Kalandros]

Never played 1.0.

First ARR character, story mode had me with over 300k gil.
Dunno 'bout you people, but I can make decent money with gathering, crafting, treasure hunting, doing dungeons for philo etc. Just added another 500k to my FC's bank, we're just over 15m right now and plan on buying one of those "125m plots" (initial price anyway) eventually.

Sold some level 70 HQ Weapons for 100k a pop, 5 sold so far, oh hey another 500k to the guild bank..

What's the problem with gil-generation?

Peisteskin Treasure Maps - 1.7k to 5k per player per chest. Party of 8, with a Peisteskin map each, is easily over 100k if you get no 5k maps at all (8 maps x 8 players x 1692gil (minimal reward))
Each day, or stack up maps and do them all on the weekend (you can put 'em up on the market board for the max price if you need to store multiples. 1 deciphered, 1 in inventory, 1 per retainer, rest on market boards.

So thats for 8 players, 100k a day just doing a few treasure hunts, thats also not counting all the mats and the chance for rare valuable stuff.

Now if you have a FC of 24 people, thats 300k a day, or 2.1m a week. 24 is a small FC, right? Small House were like 8m initially or something on my server... in a month, you've got your small house.

If you're crazy like me, you've started leveling Fishing on alt characters. Because 1-50 fishing takes about 30 hours, and allows you a map per 18 hours too, of your choice (peisteskin!).
So if you grind this out for 8 characters on 1 account, you make yourself 8 peisteskin maps a day once the Fishing grind is done.

Generating Gil right now is not a problem.

[avecha]

I thought the chick who gave the Ul'dah housing quest was a bitch. She was rubbing it in my face i couldn't afford one.

I have been saving for years she goes. Only the elite can afford these. It's not a problem that well off adventurers can afford these houses. Etc

[Teon]

We bought a medium house, we worked hard for it, we came together as a FC to get it. I love it! get over yourselves. Sure there may be lots of opinions on why the prices were so high. One thing i know is fact, I would be glad to see other stuff cost that much if it meant my entire FC working together towards a common goal and having a blast while doing it. Everyone wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. How bout you work hard to get ahead? isnt that what Real Life teaches you? or you just gonna work at McDonalds the rest of your life?

I will skip the part "how exactly are you enjoying that house. Visiting it every day , sitting on a crafted sofa 2 minutes then back ingame grinding back your money? "

Lol no let's go back to my real post..
You have NO idea how hard i will laugh by the day you are kicked from that FC / you are done with them / you want to quit or take a long break waiting better, and noone is gonna give you back your money spent on that useless crap of medium house haha Oh don't tell me you're the leader now.. in case it's the opposite, i hope you're working hard to cover the entire house price, by the day ppl is kicked /leaving your FC and ask you back all their money spent on housing hahaha

Face it, you can answer me "Nothing like this will never ever happen we are a special bonded FC " (keep illuding yourself ) , but 99.9% of the FC out there will face this reality ,
once the guy who put 2-3 mil gil on housing today will ask back money haha

I would have loved to ask you if you kicked everyone not contributing to the purchase haha, doesn't matter anymore

This content is a fail, face it.

The truth behind the FC housing system, is for legacy characters to get together and spend their gil to buy a house.

Yoshida purposely ruined the economy on all server, so that their is no possible way for one to make money to the point of over 500K or 1MIL.

He crashed the housing marker so that legacy players would see a decline in housing price, and that the market is deflated to the point where everything is affordable, so that way legacy players will get into the mentality of, well I have all this money, and the FC house price is a lot less from where it was when it was introduced, their is only a few large housing to buy so let me grab one so I can be the first. And in the mean time they will still hold onto some of their gil to play the game comfortable and still above norm players.

So once all the legacy gil has been eradicated on over priced FC house, yoshida will have a clean market economy state to work with, and then will introduce new items and recipes for everyone to make money on, and then everyone on all markets will have an equal opportunity.

So in-turn Yoshida planned this and people are falling for it. People may think he is stupid and so forth but he has stated that he wants to level out the game economy on all worlds, and then open server app transfer between legacy and new worlds, and other numerous claims revolving around the game economy.

I like your "truth". Mind to explain me why this "truth" is not applied exclusively on legacy servers and non legacy are not having a small plot at 1mil gil top (reducing day by day) , something " an FC of 3 members can afford" as promised by Yoshida?

The actual truth is the title here huh? lol..

I like this "truth" way more ----> Truth

[Noata]

How is it that people think video games are fair. you need to work your way for relic weapons, for end game gear (Coil). houses are the same. not everyone has these things but those who try and work toward it get them. I was siding with the whole everyone deserves houses until I got to read this thread and see how shallow a good portion of the group is. >_< why are you guys so selfish

[Axlle10]

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you sir just made me lol. people leave, it happens. and all the money raised was out volunteering so people knew full well they wouldnt get their money back ever. and our guild has quite a few IRL friends at the tops. i may not be but i like the leaders and am quite contempt with helping, i didnt put any gil towards the house but did help with crafting/melding to get us there. So i think your whole little rant was wasted attempt at trying to feel better about yourself because you dont wanna do the same. maybe your not in the right FC if you dont feel that way ^_^ and i will LOL at the day when they release some awesome ass buff that ONLY house holders get access to. not likely, but as likely as me leaving this FC atm.

[LineageRazor]

I'm honestly perplexed that so many people are convinced that wealthy folks won't waste scads of money on worthless stuff, just so they can be among the first to have that worthless stuff. That kind of ostentatious spending is EXACTLY what wealthy folks are noted for both in-game and in real life! It boggles the mind that folks even on my relatively low-economy server are still spending 300k-900k on crappy Bluebird minions, and yet that is exactly what is happening. Housing is priced on another order of magnitude - but it is also a lot more showy than a minion is.

It may well be the case that SE set the bar too high on Legacy servers, but I will be shocked if we get all the way to the ninety-day mark without all or most of the prime housing locations being sold, even on legacy.

And, whether or not you believe this was a "trick" Yoshi-P devised to drain away gil from the rich, that is exactly what will happen. If a fabulously wealthy individual or group of individuals has their eye on that PERFECT spot of land, absolutely they will go ahead and spend an extra million or two rather than waiting another few weeks and risking it falling into someone else's hands!

The wealthy are waiting for the prices to drop, but they sure ain't gonna wait until the prices reach minimum. Eventually, a threshhold will be reached where plots start getting bought more frequently, and then you'll see an absolute rush of folks scrabbling to get the prime real-estate before it's all gone.