Question for End Game Raiding SCH (Those guys with ilvl 90 stuffs lol)

[Ymbryne]

You can drop or pick up as many base stats as you like, but the sad truth is; they make very little difference.

That means 186 MND increased my Physick by 313; and that's the gap between an item level 88 and an item level 13 (who hasn't even unlocked Sastasha yet)

It's because of this I've considered throwing all of my attribute points into PIE; since PIE scales well with my MP regeneration and also with the amount returned to me with Aetherflow. It isn't like I need the MP, but it's better than anything else; and means I can Adloquium spam more often.

What. Just. No.

[Ashira]

What. Just. No.

Please add something constructive Ymbryne. MND doesn't scale well at all. Go throw all your attributes into PIE and see if you notice a difference in your heals; it will be so minor you'll barely notice it. On the other hand 30 PIE is noticeable; and is more useful to SMN than MND is.

I ran the numbers and it's as follows:

1 MND = 1.6 HP increase in your Physick. 30 MND = 50.4 HP increase in your Physick (on average*)

This will scale less with a less potent spell like Adloquium, so the real question people should be asking themselves is this: is 30 MND (+50 HP heal) better than 30 PIE (+240 MP)

Know that whatever you choose will make little difference, though the two benefits to more MP; how well it scales with your Aetherflow, and having a useful stat that your SMN can use (if you're interested in using your SMN that is)

[Urthdigger]

The reason you shouldn't allocate for PIE is because we have a very nice method of restoring MP. If you aren't running out of MP, then having more maximum MP is literally no help at all. On the other hand, higher potency cures, no matter how small, means you get the tank up faster after a nasty hit, and in the long run can mean having to cast cures less often... and less spells cast means less MP spent.

[Maku]

VIT, all VIT that way you don't have to use melded Accs to get the HP you need for any of the content or have to worry that you are favoring SCH or SMN. Seriously I have started putting everything into VIT for every job I play because that lets me use accs for that job instead of worrying about VIT because Yoshida didn't think about the fact that DPS and Healers don't have the VIT they NEED to complete stuff by using gear that is actually for their job.

[Ashira]

The reason you shouldn't allocate for PIE is because we have a very nice method of restoring MP. If you aren't running out of MP, then having more maximum MP is literally no help at all. On the other hand, higher potency cures, no matter how small, means you get the tank up faster after a nasty hit, and in the long run can mean having to cast cures less often... and less spells cast means less MP spent.

I'm not running out of MP as a WHM or SCH; because I know when to hold back and when to use certain cures rather than others; as a SCH, Adloquium is almost always favourable to Physick, but we don't use it too often, otherwise we'll burn out of MP. I'm not saying the 30 PIE means you can spam it, but it does give you more MP, so that you can use it more often.

VIT, all VIT that way you don't have to use melded Accs to get the HP you need for any of the content or have to worry that you are favoring SCH or SMN. Seriously I have started putting everything into VIT for every job I play because that lets me use accs for that job instead of worrying about VIT because Yoshida didn't think about the fact that DPS and Healers don't have the VIT they NEED to complete stuff by using gear that is actually for their job.

I'm inclined to agree. VIT and PIE scale better than anything else; the only reason I wouldn't allocate VIT is because it is only really useful to a non tank up to a certain point. After a certain point, the chances are that if you died due to low HP, so did everyone else.

[Urthdigger]

My point was that, unless you're running into situations where you're saying "Man, if I only had 200 more MP, I could have done this..." then getting more PIE isn't going to really help. You either have enough MP to do what you need, or you don't. If you do have enough, having even more changes nothing.

[Ashira]

My point was that, unless you're running into situations where you're saying "Man, if I only had 200 more MP, I could have done this..." then getting more PIE isn't going to really help. You either have enough MP to do what you need, or you don't. If you do have enough, having even more changes nothing.

I understand the amount is trivial on it's own, but it also boosts your overall MP regeneration and your Aetherflow amount each minute. On the flipside to what you just said; neither are you running into situations where you're saying "Man, if only that healed 50 more HP, we could have done this..."

MP isn't usually a problem, but if a healer goes down or multiple members, where you have to start raising people; MP does start becoming an issue.

[Urthdigger]

I view healing in a different light. If I can get my healing done faster, that frees up time to do other things, like throw a DoT or two. In those cases, I really am grateful for an extra 50 HP healed a cure. Especially since that same MND can turn into an extra 50 damage a tic with Cleric's Stance up.

[Ashira]

I view healing in a different light. If I can get my healing done faster, that frees up time to do other things, like throw a DoT or two. In those cases, I really am grateful for an extra 50 HP healed a cure. Especially since that same MND can turn into an extra 50 damage a tic with Cleric's Stance up.

I agree with the Cleric Stance benefits. I guess this is a matter of preference more than anything; if by some chance I healed the tank and he was 50 HP short of being completely topped off, I don't think it would bother me that he was missing 0.5% of his total HP. I will however do some more tests, so I can show people here the difference in a +30 PIE Aetherflow, for science.

[Mhaeric]

I went 30 MND, because of the two jobs I pay Scholar more and it's a multi-purpose stat for SCH because of Cleric Stance. I have more than enough hp and mp for everything I've done so far (coil 1-4 and garuda extreme) so I'm not missing out there. I used to be 30 INT back when I first played the class before I realized I'm better at SCH, and I found that I miss the INT as SMN much less than I missed the MND as SCH. Your dps is definitely higher as SMN with 30 more INT, but it doesn't make or break a fight usually. The extra MND as SCH, however, has made healing less stressful. Especially when you consider Adloquium crits multiply the difference even further.