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  1. #401
    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    Not so much a horror story as a What The...?

    Finished CT as a SCH (I prefer to WHM, but queued as SCH randomly). Other SCH in my team was a nearly i90 SCH (I'm i73, though had some crap accessories on so more like i68 or i69).

    I was DPSing when I could, healing when it was needed (not like the boss is hard to heal unless people derp), Rezed a couple people from a different group since they nearly wiped (we had deaths from people standing in AoEs or Flare; three total I think) and had to resummon Selene every Flare.

    So...this other SCH tells me that I should have healed more and that my mana was too high.

    Yep. A SCH telling another they had too much mana. Makes as much sense to me as it does you.
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  2. #402
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    Elvisan's Avatar
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    Elvi Astra
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    Phoenix
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    The various tanks anywhere who pull 3+ mobs and then go all "This ONE mob is the mob I care about, the ONLY mob I will ever care about." and do never ever generate any enmity on any other mob until the first one dies, not even if it means everyone will die. Flash? Flash what, what do you mean? Overpower? Is that like some wrestling thing?

    DPS who never ever move out of AoEs because "Just heal noob". Especially when they really state that line.
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  3. #403
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    Tlamila's Avatar
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    Ainslie Tinley
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    Omega
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Malendroit View Post
    Running WP with an undergeared tank. Tank attempts to speed run.
    I can't stand when a tank/group clearly unable to speedrun keeps insisting on it <.< I rather like the opposite, a tank that starts with a normal run then switches to speed when seeing the group is way overgeared and everything is going too well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashira View Post
    During Odin you're not so much a healer, but a raiser.
    I only did Odin back when I was 30ish, and yeah was only ressing, so I didn't even feel underleveled except for fate reward :P Was fun though.
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  4. #404
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    Black_Rose2012's Avatar
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    Astraea Aegaeon
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 80
    So I'm a fresh 50, bard mind you. I mean, I barely started to get my armor for ilevel 55, and I'm starting my Relic quest. So I'm TRYING, to get my Relic and some ilevel gear because at this point, I'm still stuck with my AF gear. So I go on DF for AK, mind you this is my 3rd attempt to get pass the wall, and got in, there is a MNK, Paladin and a WHM. So I say, "Hi! So I've done this before, but I'm a fresh 50, so if you could be nice and be patient with me, I'll be grateful." That's when the bitching begins... "OMG... I was hoping for a good geared." the WHM whines. I start to apologize for my lack of gear but i just started. He starts bitching at me saying that's there's no excuse to be badly geared. Starts raging and the MNK starts as well saying that "Noobs shouldn't be here." I then just get pissed. "Uh, you were a noob once too, y'know?" they bitch a bit more, but stay. So we start and what do you know? WHM get's D/C'd... and we just stand there like, what now? I just say, "Karma is a bitch guys. See ya." and I leave.
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    Last edited by Black_Rose2012; 01-02-2014 at 11:45 PM.

  5. #405
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    Tlamila's Avatar
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    Ainslie Tinley
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    Omega
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Black_Rose, it's really ugly -.-
    I'm noticing a hugely increasing jerkiness at endgame, so much that I stopped pugging anything that's not WP because I don't wanna make my blood bitter for a game. If I did I would play LoL, but it seems the level of friendliness sometimes equals that lately :/

    About this, yesterday I tried DFing Titan HM. I still need it, but everytime I give up on trying, because with my latency is kind of a nightmare and trying with strangers is stressful. I've been whm50 since september and beat Garuda 1-2 months ago, just to make you understand my reluctance. But since everybody keeps saying that battle needs a lot of training in DF, and that's the mind people enter there with (after all, all premades require experienced people only).
    Anyway I try, everybody takes a load of damage (as expected in DF) and between having to heal more then I can move, my lag and my inexperience/inability I die at some point. I get ressed but in the meantime we wipe. At that point some bard proceeds to say i wasn't moving out of aoes at all. I answer that I have lag (no point in pointing out that if I really wasn't moving I would have died at the start of the fight) and he answers that if I lag I should do Titan HM. There, my rage starts to build. The rest of the fight, he throws an insult everytime I get hitted by something, and I become so nervous that I start screwing up for real cause I can't concentrate. So as soon as I died (was almost killing myself on purpose at that point) I dropped from duty with the mind of staying the hell away from any sort of the pug for the future. And yeah I'll probably never get my relic, but if to do it I have to stand all sort of insults while already being pissed by the impossibility to dodge stuff unless I'm speedy gonzales well...:/
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  6. #406
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    Raestloz's Avatar
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    Vonelis Heischield
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    Tiamat
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Pugging seems to be ridiculous for you guys.

    Luckily (or perhaps not, depending on your viewpoint), I play on Tiamat, chock full of japanese. Japanese don't bitch around about gear level or newness (is that a word?) to a dungeon, they just want to get things done.

    Talking about WP, at one point I was using DF and got a tank who seems to know what he's doing but undergeared,and therefore can't really take (and generate) that much heat. The Summoner in the party insisted on using Bane to AoE the whole damn place despite me saying that the tank is not ready for speedrun (and it's pretty evident too). Luckily, none of us ends up dead, but healing an undergeared tank against mobs is really something that keeps people awake
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  7. #407
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    Methos76's Avatar
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    Methos Cloudstrife
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    Adamantoise
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    yeah ive run across many bad tanks in * man parties. I see them really messsing up bad. thats why I always commend the healer at the end of a run. You all keep us alive and sounds like you do good work. Keep it up!!
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  8. #408
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    revonine's Avatar
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    Morri Umi
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Malendroit View Post
    Running WP with an undergeared tank.
    Or running WP back when I wasn't geared enough and screamed "I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GEAR". Tank ignores my pleas pulls everything. I pop all cooldowns and spam Cure 2 and even use Benediction in a desperate attempt to keep him alive on the first pull and we die anyway.
    "Told ya lol"
    "Noob Healer" is my response >_>
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  9. #409
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    Raestloz's Avatar
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    Vonelis Heischield
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    Tiamat
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Methos76 View Post
    yeah ive run across many bad tanks in * man parties. I see them really messsing up bad. thats why I always commend the healer at the end of a run. You all keep us alive and sounds like you do good work. Keep it up!!
    Not really. Tanks have a hard time because unlike healers, tanks need the latest and greatest gears all the time. Tanks also have to lead the party and manage mob aggro every 4 seconds (gcd). So far, my paladin can keep things under control, but with each harder dungeon, things get even harder.

    Which is why I usually commend tanks that do things right (marking, enmity control, proper strategy, etc).

    And that leaves the DPS in the dust :P
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  10. #410
    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Raestloz View Post
    SNIP
    I find tanking easier than healing, especially after the patch. You may need a *little* more gear as a tank in certain things (Titan HM is the big one), but outside of Coil and EX Primals, Full DL and Relic is enough for just about everything (even Ultima...which, incidentally, requires more gear as a Healer...)

    WAR just need to use a little Overpower spam (Unchained + Berserk + Overpower spam = never losing aggro) in the beginning of a trash pull, and maybe throwing BB at a secondary target occasionally or Flash or Overpower; PLD Flash spam and the RoH at a secondary or Flash more.
    For bosses...unless the DPS or Heals are REALLY overgeared, they just need to use their aggro combo (with Storm's Path occasionally for WAR) and they're gold.

    The only time its really "harder" to tank is when you have AoE-happy DPS, or heals overhealing too much or using AoE heals too much.
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