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  1. #161
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    SarcasmMisser's Avatar
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Haha gosh people who refuse to level their cross-class are precious. Yoshida has literally said that content is designed with cross-class abilities in mind, you're simply not playing your class right.

    If people aren't putting out 110% for hard content regardless of what other players are doing then your attitude sucks.
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  2. #162
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    Ayame Kagane
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    Shiva
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Noroi_Kisaragi View Post
    A swiftcasted raise is probably the most useful thing a white mage could possibly do at Endgame, among the many other uses for Swiftcast. Yet almost everysingle time I go into DF, the White Mage never has Swiftcast, and we wipe. Everytime the WHM does have swiftcast, we win, coincidence? I think not.
    That means that your playstyle needs a whm with swiftcast/raise because you are not able to do anything without dieing all the time. Grats, blame the whm's.
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  3. #163
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    I just finished watching the MrHappy Titan vid and noticed their dragoon took a bomb at one point. If one of you guys were healing that fight you would of spat the dummy and said they're too bad to heal, rather than reacting to it and pulling a very skilled team through for a win. Everyone makes mistakes so give yourself a margin for error.

    Swiftcast is absolutely there for the unexpected situations where you can't afford to wait for a cast, raise is a bad example to cherry pick. More often it's used on more minor errors. You can save a wipe with swiftcast, but if you decide not to and instead assign blame then your attitude is a liability to groups.
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  4. #164
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    Axidrain's Avatar
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    Axidrain Fy
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    Archer Lv 50
    swiftcast medica II is very nice :3
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  5. #165
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    Biuma Arvinda
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Why just WHM? IMHO, if you are any DoM without Swiftcast, you are holding back yourself and your party.

    It is quite clearly one of the universally most useful CC skills for Disciples of Magic, don't even try to find excuses for not having it. Level 26 THM is a drip in the bucket, go and get it now if you don't already.
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  6. #166
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    Hina Meishou
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Swiftcast is very useful and as a WHM I have it. However, if it was VITAL to our class then it would be one of our core skills to begin with and not a cross-class skill. If our having a cross skill is the difference in win/lose, then you have bigger problems.
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  7. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoHina View Post
    Swiftcast is very useful and as a WHM I have it. However, if it was VITAL to our class then it would be one of our core skills to begin with and not a cross-class skill. If our having a cross skill is the difference in win/lose, then you have bigger problems.
    No, you had one problem, which became a bigger problem because a potential safety net was not in place. Refer to my previous post not everyone is perfect. Also someone quoted this before but snipped out a part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Because of the armory system’s design, end game encounters have been balanced for players who have not only leveled one job to 50, but who have also obtained abilities from other classes. That being said, we have no plans to make multiple jobs a requirement
    So no, it is not strictly required but it is balanced for it, so in other words you're not bringing everything you could to the table. I leveled all my cross-class abilities, so did everyone else in my static. How disrespectful is it to other people who put in the time to not do the same yourself, and then blame them for wipes? Good groups are about mutual trust and respect, the other players sometimes makes mistakes and trust the healers to have their back, while the healers trust that the other members do their best to avoid taking unnecessary damage, and know the limits of healing and the negative impact straining healers can have on a group.

    If I was to order what was the biggest problem in a wipe, and this healer starts mouthing off about not having swiftcast because we should be too good for it, that healer and their attitude is certainly the biggest problem in the group. They essentially admitted that they are not doing the best job they could and are willing to pass blame to people who probably were trying their best.
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  8. #168
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    Amyas Leigh
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiraJ View Post
    That means that your playstyle needs a whm with swiftcast/raise because you are not able to do anything without dieing all the time. Grats, blame the whm's.
    Guess why people die? Because they stand in aoe or the healers weren't good enough to keep them up. And almost all fights (barring titan) allow enough (idk about coil though) for a dd or tank or even healer to stand in at least one aoe or even two and survive.... so yeah
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    Mayin Avantari
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    I don't know anything about WHM but I assume the OP is correct.
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  10. #170
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    Davion Crismorn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Paying attention to scripts with blatant ranges given to you in red is too difficult so u should rez me asap cause I'm super important even tho I can't follow scripts. Signed bad/lazy DPS/OT
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