So the "no BRD" shouts have begun, thanks Yoshi P

[Mags]

One day in the near future, Square-Enix will release expansions to FFXV 2.0. Contained within those expansions will be new class/jobs. Some of them will be DPS, others may be healer or tank types. And of course you'll see more support type classes. They will have the same "problem" as Bard. They will not top DPS charts but they'll help a party in ways that'll make them a desired addition.

If SE thought the change was needed, then it was needed. If the change is too great and costly then it'll continue to be adjusted. These things happen from time to time in patches. They get this data from in game testing from players just like you and me. They are reviewing data from top level end game raiders and see what is working as intended and make adjustments accordingly.

Do any of you honestly believe they are these sake soaked crazies at SE headquarters just making changes on a whim? In any case, you have but a few choices in the matter.

1. Adjust to the changes, and continue providing your party with the support the job offers.
2. Change classes to something you prefer more.
3. Quit the game in disgust and play something more agreeable to you.

Be cause I assure you, no amount or ranting and raving from within this forum will change how SE decides to produce this game.

[Zedine]

EDIT: Apparently SE did say they would be adding pure support classes in the future, but as of now there aren't any.

In his most recent interview with famitsu he stated and its translated quote but

"Yoshida: Yes, we want to make sure that there is space in the party for at least two people of each role. 4-6 players is a number which has been used frequently in recent MMOs, but I stuck with the figure of eight people since back in the design stage for the aforementioned reasons. You can have two each of healer and tank and four DPS in the present situation. Once we add the hybrid role (which serves multiple roles), you'll be able to have two players from each role, for a total of 8 people."


The reason Bard isn't full support yet is because he wants to have at least 2 of each role. there are 2 tanks, 2 healers and several dps, but only 1 support (bard) but since we cant always wait for 2 bards for any 8 man content it seems logical to make it a DPS for now until the hybrid role is added.

It is my opinion bard will be more support as level range increases and more Hybrid classes are added. or it will be changed into more support or Hybrid as new roles are added. But since there is only 1 job that fits that description now it is listed as DPS.

[KV-1]

IThe reason Bard isn't full support yet is because he wants to have at least 2 of each role.

Well that quote doesn't confirm Bard becoming a true support class, it just says the support role will be available eventually. For all we know SE's plan could be to just add totally new jobs as support roles and leave the current ones alone.

Regardless, I only foresee Bard becoming a *real* support if they add another branch job off of Archer that is purely DPS (like Ranger maybe), similar to Arcanist branching into Summoner/Scholor. Because it would not be received well if players logged on one day and found out their role has been changed and their only option was to level another class and re-gear.

[Duelle]

Well that quote doesn't confirm Bard becoming a true support class, it just says the support role will be available eventually. For all we know SE's plan could be to just add totally new jobs as support roles and leave the current ones alone.

What Yoshida was talking about was adding hybrid classes, not "support". This all depends on how far he'll take the definition of "hybrid". It might be "one role with utility" the way SMN currently plays or "mediocre in everything" type. I'm praying it's the former and not the latter, otherwise we're going to have a true mess in our hands.

Regardless, I only foresee Bard becoming a *real* support if they add another branch job off of Archer that is purely DPS (like Ranger maybe), similar to Arcanist branching into Summoner/Scholor.

Adding "support" as a new role would be bad in the long run, as this is an MMORPG built on the holy trinity. Neither mesh well with each other, and never will without pissing off one of the parties involved.

[KV-1]

What Yoshida was talking about was...

True on the hybrid statement. He wasn't clear on what that actually meant, so we can't even assume that means support role will be coming. Could just mean we will see more classes like Arcanist that 'branch off' into two separate different roles, which I would like to see personally.

I agree with you on support too. Support classes, while awesome in concept, tend to be more trouble than they are worth. Either they end up being too strong and trivialize content, or too weak and passed up for single-role classes.

Good example was Red Mage in FFXI.

[MMONSTER]

Be cause I assure you, no amount or ranting and raving from within this forum will change how SE decides to produce this game.

really, cause Im pretty sure the nerf came from other DPS bitching and whining about BRD being soooo OP, lol as if we were

[Kirosuu]

this is my point... is Yoshi retarded? did he not test the old damage factors before releasing the game, it wasn't working as intended before? or did he just give in to people bitching about BRD, if so, why didn't they all just do what youre telling me to do....play another job if you don't like the way its working

lets me ask you back
are you retard?did you not test damage before whining?you keep say that bard nerd is very huge in fact less than 10%.melee dps sometimes need to abandon target to avoid aoe, caster need to cast spell but while bard can dps even while moving + range. consider that, bard dps is high,no combo,no cast,range what more bard need?100% attack buff?
bard always forgot about aoe avoid for other class which is a huge lose of dps while doing that?why?bard never experience that,stay at far,use some skill while moving,and never need think about combo

[MMONSTER]

lets me ask you back
are you retard?did you not test damage before whining?you keep say that bard nerd is very huge in fact less than 10%.melee dps sometimes need to abandon target to avoid aoe, caster need to cast spell but while bard can dps even while moving + range. consider that, bard dps is high,no combo,no cast,range what more bard need?100% attack buff?
bard always forgot about aoe avoid for other class which is a huge lose of dps while doing that?why?bard never experience that,stay at far,use some skill while moving,and never need think about combo

are you retard? you keep saying that bard is nerd ....

I had to stop reading, grammar is giving me cancer, the irony of someone who hasn't mastered the English language asking about someone else's cognitive level lmao

[Duelle]

Good example was Red Mage in FFXI.

*twitch*__

[LongNu]

yes it has been discussed, but I felt like voicing my opinion about the BRD nerf

1. you reduced blood for blood to 10%, but we still take 25% damage? its now blood for water ...

2. we already lose 20% damage while songs are playing, we continue to make us even weaker

3. RoD now evasion down......

4. Bloodletter AND Straight shot reduced to 130 potency

5. Our damn Relic weapon already had lower base dmg than all other relics

Did it ever occur to them how it feels like a complete waste of time to look at a job and see its abilities and traits and decide to choose it only to have them change the reasons you picked it in the first place

Yet all progression content NEEDS a BRD, but classes like DRG, SMN, BLM, MNK are replaceable. Hmm...