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    Player Shiyo's Avatar
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    Please remove gear advantages in PVP

    Please remove gear advantages in PVP. Losing a match due to someone having better gear than my team is not fun in the slightest. Having to be much better than my opponent because they're 30% stronger than me is not healthy for a competitive PVP environment.

    Please add ladders, cosmetics, titles, mounts, minions, hairstyles, dyes, and cool looking gear as an incentive to PVP. Please keep gear out of PVP entirely and make it skill based, not gear based.

    The most competitive online games of all time - Starcraft, DOTA, Counter Strike, etc, start everyone off on an equal playing field, and create a competitive environment based entirely on skill.

    A PVP match should come down to teamwork, skill, and execution. Gear should never, ever, ever be the deciding factor in PVP, and with how gear scales right now it is the majority of the time depending on the teams ILVL's. This is not good design and creates an unfun PVP environment for most skilled players. It is not a big of a deal now, but in a few months or even next content update, when new players start to join PVP and have neither PVP skills nor the gear, and go up against players who can essentially kill them in 2-3 hits while taking greatly reduced damage from them, they will lose all motivation to PVP.

    Please fix this issue before it's too late. Right now it's not too bad because PVP is new and gear isn't completely out of hand - but a full allagan weapon team or full ILVL70 PVP gear team can steamroll pretty much any team unless heavily outskilled, which is not very fun for the people at a disadvantage. Do not let PVP in this game be ruined by "Gear progression" in PVP, which does not belong in any game with PVP. Let this games PVP not suffer from the same issues that pretty much every MMO but GW2 has suffered from the past decade, please LEARN from past MMO mistakes, please.

    Please normalize gear in PVP, give everyone preset gear to choose from with preset melds that they can edit at any time for a fee of gil. In return add ladders, titles, cosmetics, mounts, minions, hairstyles, dyes, etc to give people incentive to PVP.
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    Last edited by Shiyo; 12-21-2013 at 07:23 AM.

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    Everyone who actually works on their PvP will be on equal footing when they reach r30...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordbones View Post
    Everyone who actually works on their PvP will be on equal footing when they reach r30...
    No one enjoys suffering through thousands of matches just to be on an equal footing. They should be on an equal footing starting from their first match, and only lose due to being inexperienced, not due to being undergeared.
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    The self-entitled generation... those who don't pvp much should be as good as those who spent time on getting their gear...If I wanted PvP with everyone on equal footing I would pick up some 10 dollar game off of steam that doesn't provide any equipment.
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    Player Shiyo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordbones View Post
    The self-entitled generation... those who don't pvp much should be as good as those who spent time on getting their gear...If I wanted PvP with everyone on equal footing I would pick up some 10 dollar game off of steam that doesn't provide any equipment.
    Asking for balanced, fair, equalized PVP isn't "self-entitled", it's called wanting skill based PVP.

    Keep the insults to yourself.

    It's like people WANT this games PVP to die and have no playerbase because new players will be instantly turned off from it after losing to gear 100 times in a row.
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    Last edited by Shiyo; 12-21-2013 at 07:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordbones View Post
    The self-entitled generation... those who don't pvp much should be as good as those who spent time on getting their gear...If I wanted PvP with everyone on equal footing I would pick up some 10 dollar game off of steam that doesn't provide any equipment.
    Why is being carried by gear a positive thing?

    I think it's very entitled to assume you should have a titanic advantage just because you've played longer.

    If SE don't fix this, the rift means that new blood in PvP will very quickly die out and the system will become stagnant. Gear gaps are bad. If they must exist due to bads requiring gear crutches, at least make the difference minimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raenryong View Post
    Why is being carried by gear a positive thing?
    So you play an mmo and you don't enjoy a little progression? Hey, SE, players' gear is carrying them through Coil, we gotta do something about that. Lol come on.
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    PvE systems should be gear-based. PvP systems should be skill-based. To increase skill required, you decrease gear crutches.

    High gear people on MMOs will ALWAYS defend their advantages though... so few can play any real competitive games however.
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    Any decent 4 man premade can beat 70%+ of the matches they are put up against if they are 'skilled' PvP geared or not ...What's the problem here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raenryong View Post
    Why is being carried by gear a positive thing?

    I think it's very entitled to assume you should have a titanic advantage just because you've played longer.

    If SE don't fix this, the rift means that new blood in PvP will very quickly die out and the system will become stagnant. Gear gaps are bad. If they must exist due to bads requiring gear crutches, at least make the difference minimal.
    Oddly enough people get carried with gear in pve? Should we start removing advantages to pve gear as well so people do not get carried through content? If there is nothing to work towards then there will be no reason for a majority of people to do arena. Work hard get the gear and fight to the best of your abilities. If you can't do that then you should stick to the pve portion of the game.
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