Why not to do well in the game

[Kallera]

That is not what he was saying.

What he was saying is that they can't really do anything once the gil buyers have used the gil they bought.
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It sounds like that is exactly what is being done. They are not only taking the Gil from the person, but they are taking more Gil than what was involved in the purchase.

To illustrate an example:

Person A has 20,000 Gil on their person. Their retainer has 1 million Gil. They put up an item for auction for 200,000 Gil.

Person b bought Gil. Purchases the item, and later gets caught by the STF who then find they purchased person A's item.

From what I've heard on the forums, person A comes back to his retainer, only to find the retainer has 200,000 gil, maybe less, and then has to deal with se's support team for weeks on end.


Or is this not the case?

[Gamemako]

They...really don't.

It's likely that they do have logs, but they'll be more limited than people really expect. It's important to keep in mind just how many actions are taken by players on a server -- the data here is massive and is essentially something you can only analyze algorithmically (simply manipulating it so a GM can view it after the fact is a mess). The problem is that you have huge manpower requirements to manually chase down those attached to RMTs. If you just grabbed everyone associated with the account, then RMTs would buy random items just to get innocent players involved and gum up the works.

SE's actions with regard to these players may be similar to what they did with the FC housing prices on legacy servers. That early crafter ban wave was on anyone with a certain sum of gil on non-Legacy servers, and they all came back to reduced gil. The problem there was that RMTs were duping gil en masse and handing it out in piles. I suspect that the gil reduction was a targeted way to trim the total amount of gil in the economy after that exploit was patched. Rather than risk orphaning some players by taking portion of everyone's gil (and causing an uproar besides), SE went to the people with a ton of gil, assumed they could take the hit, and confiscated the gil. It's also a much easier PR sell to take from the fat cats than the average joes.

It sounds like that is exactly what is being done.

That would be the first I've heard of such a problem. Quite the opposite, SE has shown a propensity for blanket bans on players who have high gil stocks regardless of whether they were involved with anyone accused of RMT activity.

[Kallera]

That would be the first I've heard of such a problem. Quite the opposite, SE has shown a propensity for blanket bans on players who have high gil stocks regardless of whether they were involved with anyone accused of RMT activity.

So what is to prevent SE from looking at a fc's savings for an FC, trumping up the charges of an accusation, and robbing the whole FC's savings' blind?

[SinisterJoint]

So what is to prevent SE from looking at a fc's savings for an FC, trumping up the charges an accusation, and robbing the whole FC's savings' blind?

and they would benefit from this how? Really think about it, what would SE gain from taking your gil?? Nothing because they can make their own.. push a button BAM insta gil cap. Think first...

[Kallera]

and they would benefit from this how? Really think about it, what would SE gain from taking your gil?? Nothing because they can make their own.. push a button BAM insta gil cap. Think first...

It didn't stop them from taking away the Gil of various crafters that sold their wares on the AH. There is also the fact that SE making Gil isn't really related to their actions in taking Gil.

[ApolloGenX]

It didn't stop them from taking away the Gil of various crafters that sold their wares on the AH. There is also the fact that SE making Gil isn't really related to their actions in taking Gil.

They probably did that because those crafters were botting and possible RMT activities.

Person X creates a character and three days later has all crafts at 50. Give me a break. You could watch it on the forums and see the rampant botting in game. Then the crafters act like they were just innocent victims, because they didn't RMT... while they DID bot as fast as their little programs would let them.

I especially love the ones that the FC mates fed the bots materials, so they could run 24/7 and then posted congratulatory posts on the forums about the "achievement" of having the first 50 or first person with all 50s like a day or two after release.

Botting/Rotating Play Shifts/ or Meth. You choose which they did.