Lustrate needs to be affected by healing debuffs

[Zakarath85]

oh my.. try using stone skin for once..

"Oh no its bad and has long cast time!" -- Dont you have Self Buffs to increase cast times? and Instant cast?

Its the very same thing for scholars, we have to plan ahead and save Aetherflow charges to be able to lustrate.. for a WHM, that would be cast speed buff and keeping Regen up, aaaaand toss those SSkins . Dont forget that you also have Benediction, maybe we should have Benediction to only heal 25% on a target who has Healing Debuff too ?

[Cleftobismal]

oh my.. try using stone skin for once..

"Oh no its bad and has long cast time!" -- Dont you have Self Buffs to increase cast times? and Instant cast?

Its the very same thing for scholars, we have to plan ahead and save Aetherflow charges to be able to lustrate.. for a WHM, that would be cast speed buff and keeping Regen up, aaaaand toss those SSkins . Dont forget that you also have Benediction, maybe we should have Benediction to only heal 25% on a target who has Healing Debuff too ?

Well truth to be told, keeping regen up will drain the hell out of your mana. z_z

[Noctrin]

If lustrate becomes affected by healing debuffs, it better start being affected by healing buffs too. Also benediction should heal for a straight amount which also becomes affected by healing debuffs. fuck it, give healer a bow and some pots and they have to shoot healing potions at players to heal them. Also a big Santa Claus sack on their back to hold on to all those potions. Being an alchemist will be mandatory to deal with the cost and a lvl 50 alchemist will now be the subclass to obtaining sch and whm.

WHM get raid healing, CCs, an awesome dps skill with a 6 sec stun, regens, better protect, better stone skin the best "oh shit, i forgot to heal, better use a casual benny" skill in the game and an agro dump. SCH get a pet, best ST healing, mana regen, shields, blind and a healing debuff/slow.

Seems balanced to me, nerf our BEST skill, we're now on par for ST healing but still lack in CC and aoe healing. Lustrate is straight 25% unaffected by buffs or debuffs. I'd love for my lustrate to be buffed by healing buffs from monk, warrior and my pet, but i trade that for the lack of it being affected by debuffs. Silence the damn siren and you'll be fine, we also do twintania with 1 tank and 1 sch. The debuff on death sentence is the least of our issues. Learn to play and stop crying because *YOU* think there's a balance problem.

But hey, sure, make lustrate affected by healing buffs/debuffs, i'll be healing warrior tanks for 4k a pop and you'll come crying even more. Curios how much cure 2 with divine seal, swift cast and, to make it really nice, the sch pet buff heals for (i'm assuming a decent sch will use it during damage intensive portions) What about medica 3 with the new wide radius, more than my succor? But that lustrate, so op.

If i have to solo heal party wide damage, i mutter under my breath too. But instead of coming here to complain that whm has like 3 aoe heals all better than mine, i just find a way to deal with it..

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Reasonable things

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[Kyomih]

Ok, can we keep it civil?

Since now all of a sudden this is turning into a lustrate vs benediction conversation.
Playing both jobs in the same end game content (minus the fact that I haven't done Ultima HM with my SCH):

For the sake of comparison lets assume both jobs are trying to do the same: Get a target that just dropped super low and is in danger of dying back to stable asap.
Lustrate is a 25% heal that uses aetherflow stacks - so at 75% it's theoretically on a 1 minute CD and instant cast. You could even push this for the first heal to 150% since any good SCH will have Aetherflow on CD and it's off GCD to use it.
Benediction is a 100% heal that costs no MP and is on a 5 Minute CD.

There are several discrepancies in comparing the two:
Benediction is supposed to be an instant cast but it isn't. I actually did some testing and if I spam lustrate I can get 3 casts off in the time my Benediction actually casts. Since lustrate is not affected by GCD.
Due to the delay on Benediction you actually have to pray that it goes off fast enough if your tank tips down so low you need the Benediction. Most of the time it goes on GCD and doesn't actually save the day. It's an all or nothing button on a 5 minute CD while lustrate can get a tank a bit more stable first to take one more hit before topping him off fully.

Anyway, obviously if lustrate gets adjusted then benediction needs to get adjusted too. I think that goes without saying.

[sharazisspecial]

The only reasonable argument for lustrate being affected by healing debuffs is PvP.

Benediction would still be good if it was 50% hp because thats all the tank needs anyway. Alot of benediction's healing is just overheal.

I think that lustrate does kind of cheapen the effect of healing debuffs. Scholar should have to struggle too, there is already not many healing mechanics in this game and scholar just bypasses one of them.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

The only reasonable argument for lustrate being affected by healing debuffs is PvP.

Benediction would still be good if it was 50% hp because thats all the tank needs anyway. Alot of benediction's healing is just overheal.

I think that lustrate does kind of cheapen the effect of healing debuffs. Scholar should have to struggle too, there is already not many healing mechanics in this game and scholar just bypasses one of them.

As Noctrin said, fair enough - However, let's make it suffer the effects of healing buffs as well. I have no objections :P

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

ummm NO!

funny in this forum I read is WHM mains screaming SCH nerf! but never hear SCH mains asking for a nerf to WHM -_-. stop asking for the classes to be the same they both have strengths and weaknesses, I wouldn't whine about bene getting a buff even tho it already 100% heals the target.

and pvp don't get me started the only thing we even going to us beyond miasma is lustrate its our BnB skill so you effectively screw any SCH from being useful in pvp with it nerfed its hard enough getting heals off while kiting.

and since we are complaining about fair can SCH get sleep too! hell these BLM WHM teams just sleep half your squad on a 15s wait even after a purify, plus your knockback bind seriously why should SCH be nerfed???

[Reyno]

If lustrate becomes affected by healing debuffs, it better start being affected by healing buffs too.

This right here. That is all.

[Sinaloa]

I could live with three posible cases:

1. It stays as it is. (I like it and do consider it balanced)
2. It´s affected but affected by healing buffs too. (Way to overpowered. Fairybuff to have 3 heals with the potency close to benediction? Nah .. but I could live with it )
3. It´s affected but in addition it removed the debuff. (Would be better situational and worse in others.)