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  1. #21
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    Maku's Avatar
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    Maku Haikasu
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    I use controller when playing BRD. RoD was always on my initial cross-bar that has my main "rotations" to be able to hit it when the time called for it (Most notably Titan, T1 (which by the way I can not figure out where I am not going that I have not got the map completion yet, and T4 which I have yet to try but know the mechanics). I will be removing it for something and it will just stay on my WP speed run AoE spam crossbar to be used when it procs instead of at the start of the fight to help the tank and healer out. ugh REALLY this is the only part of the patch I am absolutely furious with.
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    可愛い悪魔

  2. #22
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    Ixsiehn's Avatar
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    Riela Marcellis
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 60
    i have to disagree with the OP as well. RoD cannot realistically be spammed with the current cost and duration. Even if it can, accuracy in this game is something that is extremely important (especially for melee, missing means screwing up combo/rotation/buff & debuff timers/etc), it is not worth the risk to even get that small chance to miss in the ~1 second window between casts due to human error or lag.
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  3. #23
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    Bardo Phor
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 70
    The change in TP is hilarious to me because literally the only time anyone is going to use it now is if it procs a free cast from Wide Volley. So they could have increased the cost to 1000 and it literally wouldn't have mattered...

    The lower TP cost makes no difference whatsoever.

    At some point it becomes comical how poorly thought out the changes are.
    Of course if they did it solely because of PvP, then it would make more sense; however that would also mean that Yoshi straight up lied to us about not letting PvP balance affect PvE.
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    Last edited by Bardo; 12-17-2013 at 12:59 PM.

  4. #24
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    saber_alter's Avatar
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    Lyrre Myste
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    i would rather of had it be a skill with a 45 second cooldown that procs off of wide volley (like bloodletter procs off of DoT crits)

    quick knock procs? simple, do what they did with bloodletter.
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  5. #25
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    Sinth Reborn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Lancer Lv 52
    OP Here:

    I was wrong, the TP requirements wouldn't make the scenario I had in my head unviable... there is not much left to debate at this point...
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  6. #26
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    Ixsiehn's Avatar
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    Riela Marcellis
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sinth View Post
    OP Here:

    I was wrong, the TP requirements wouldn't make the scenario I had in my head unviable... there is not much left to debate at this point...
    you need to add another tier in your pyramid =p

    "ignores all counter arguments and concludes own argument as victorious."
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  7. #27
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    Razla Vithrak
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    Goblin
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    Archer Lv 70
    From the tone of what OP wrote, I think OP mistyped and accidentally wrote "unviable" instead of "viable."
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  8. #28
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    Kazari Uiharu
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    Balmung
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    I dont pride myself on attacking other players. I do however see where a Bard knows best the use for their moves. I think this change may serve a niche purpose rather then a huge one. Nevertheless It goes without saying the bard got hit with a brick this update.
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    “Even the finest sword plunged into salt water will eventually rust.”
    ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

  9. #29
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    Ren Nilla
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    Adamantoise
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Honestly? I'm iffy about this. Rain of Death saved me and my party's butt many times ever since I got the skill.

    With this change, I basically have to rely on luck in hopes that the Melee players/enemies screw up. And with Battle Voice, -20% EVA isn't really much to work with, either. Higher chance than getting Quicker Nock, sure. But considering my luck, I've yet to been very lucky.

    I just hope this change doesn't affect a Bard's usefulness too much. I dunno if I'll keep using it when 2.1 releases.
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  10. #30
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    Riela Marcellis
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 60
    i meant it as a joke, didnt mean any offense with it. Although yea, if it was a typo then my joke pretty much missed it's mark.

    Anyway:
    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaWafer View Post
    Honestly? I'm iffy about this. Rain of Death saved me and my party's butt many times ever since I got the skill.

    With this change, I basically have to rely on luck in hopes that the Melee players/enemies screw up. And with Battle Voice, -20% EVA isn't really much to work with, either. Higher chance than getting Quicker Nock, sure. But considering my luck, I've yet to been very lucky.

    I just hope this change doesn't affect a Bard's usefulness too much. I dunno if I'll keep using it when 2.1 releases.
    RoD will be hit in terms of utility for sure; however, the bards' overall utility is still over the top when compared to other classes. I can still see double bard for coil for the double silence and double song.
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