GOOD JOB YOSHI P!

[Matsume]

That's about as meaningful as "Bill Gates have made $50 billion, so you could have too."

While theoretically correct, trying to imply that everyone could've done so, especially at the same time, could not be more wrong. Everyone on the server could not have made as much money as the top earners, that would require people making more money than exists in the entire system.

It's kinda like the GOP from awhile back saying that if only people would get off their lazy asses, they can all join the 1%, which for anyone who's not mathematically challenged, knows is impossible.

I am far from the top earner on my server. Let me tell you about my titan merc ls composed of new players on a legacy server, the leader earned over 20 mil gil just from titan sales in less than a month, and yes, I am telling you - you could have done it too.


Now, to make a more appropriate example: I am not bill gates, which would be considered a top earner on my server right? The richest guy i know has 26 stacks of tier IV CRACKED materia. Think about that. 2600 x 250K = 650,000,000 asset value. I also knew someone in 1.0 who had capped gil and claims to have earned it all back since 2.0 gil devaluation. I know people that bought loads of cracked tier IV materia in 1.0 to poor their gil into before the devaluation that made out like bandits due to the difficulty in obtaining tier IV materia in 2.0 as compared to 1.0

Lets get things straight. These are the Bill Gates' of Eorzea. My wealth pales in comparison to theirs. There is no way you or I could dream to acquire as much as they have. However, I am telling you, that anyone and everyone could have figured out how to make gil since EA without having to spend an absurd amount of time playing. I watched my ls do it, then I watched other titan merc groups form together until the price dropped from 1mil per kil (at first) all the way down to 150K (last night).

You are right about one thing though, it would have been theoretically impossible for everyone to make as much money as the top earners. However, I never said I was a top earner, now did I? you appear to have misinterpreted what I was saying. Also, for your information, I made money by selling food to those top earners whom had so much gil to throw around that they didn't mind buying my overpriced goods because it saved them time.

[senjyo]

A p2p game with a f2p game mechanic. lol

You can't RMT your AF gear, u can't RMT gear above i70, there is no +10 enchant you need to do, there is no super buff you can purchase, there is no super awesome skills you can only access with paying $, but somehow it need you to do some farming which isn't every other MMO require players to do? Welcome to the world of MMO, if you don't like farming I think there is no MMORPG out there you will like. Should probably play a MOBA, but even in MOBA 70% of time is farming as well (creep, lane, jungle w/e). Hell, even in the king of sandbox minecraft, if you play survivor mode you need to farm. So I am wondering what you can actually play.

[TsohG]

Imagine if there was PvP in every zone, if anyone could backstab those guys while grinding fates or trying to lvl up or questing.. THERE WOULD BE SO MANY OF THOSE CRYING KIDS..

[Aenarion]

Wow, talk about missing the point.

the leader earned over 20 mil gil just from titan sales in less than a month, and yes, I am telling you - you could have done it too.

You're looking at it solely at the micro-level, which does not translate to the macro level. Think about it for a second, who were buying your titan runs? they're not NPCs. If everyone was selling titan runs - who is going to be your customer?

You'd be a merchant trying to sell sand to other sand merchants in the middle of a desert.

Now, to make a more appropriate example: I am not bill gates, which would be considered a top earner on my server right? The richest guy i know has 26 stacks of tier IV CRACKED materia. Think about that. 2600 x 250K = 650,000,000 asset value.

Sorry, it's one thing if there are enough demand to support that valuation, while that may be the maximum theoretical worth of his asset, in practice you'd be hard pressed to liquidate those assets at that value.

There is no way you or I could dream to acquire as much as they have.

Because you totally know how much money everyone else have

However, I am telling you, that anyone and everyone could have figured out how to make gil since EA without having to spend an absurd amount of time playing. I watched my ls do it, then I watched other titan merc groups form together until the price dropped from 1mil per kil (at first) all the way down to 150K (last night).

You are right about one thing though, it would have been theoretically impossible for everyone to make as much money as the top earners. However, I never said I was a top earner, now did I? you appear to have misinterpreted what I was saying.

What you don't seem to get is that saying everyone could've had the chance to make money doesn't mean anything here - because in reality it would not be possible for everyone, or even anything approaching a majority to do so, simply because the primary method of wealth accumulation in this game is through gil transfers, not generation.

The problem arises when you introduce a content that's been hyped and touted as a key feature for the entire player base, yet targets the access to said content directly at the extreme minority. Yes, the price will decay - but it will take up to 90 days, and guess what, those who are mega rich will buy it - resetting the timer for everyone else. Really, by the time the masses can realistically access this content, chances are the next patch(or beyond) will already be out.

THIS is the problem, imagine if SE added Coil turn 6-10, but put a gil requirement on it that will prevent the vast majority of the player base from accessing it for 3 months. Because this is what they've effectively done here.

And to call this "supply and demand" is a slap to the face to games like Eve that actually have real supply and demand. You cannot label it as such when the supply and pricing is directly controlled by SE.

[Aenarion]

No you are missing the point

Truly, a convincing argument with flawless logic I think your white knight just leveled up again!

[Velev]

Truly, a convincing argument with flawless logic

Aenarion, just wanted to ask you a quick question if you don't mind. Nothing to do with the thread

Did you play ffxi? and if so, on what server were you?

[Aenarion]

I did for awhile, was on Bahamut.

[Velev]

I did for awhile, was on Bahamut.

thank you sir, had a really good friend with the same name on Odin and we were in the same LS for quite a while.

Shame i thought i finally found someone i knew from the old XI days hehe.

Thank you for the reply though.

[LTEvil]

mindlessly gil-farming is a "challenge" now?



Yes, please, keep it coming. I'd love to see if ARR ends up failing even faster than 1.0

Nuff' said.

[Wingeddeath]

Dare i bring up how much Relic weapons and Mythic weapons cost in ffxi? I mean really, clearly people took the time to grind the hell out of those. Why should housing be any different? Sorry it takes time to get things. Sheesh.