An Open Letter to Yoshida-san: Please Slice One Zero Off the Housing Prices

[Beeraga]

Maybe if they slice a zero their subscription totals with this bogus grindfest crap, then they'll shave that zero off the price of land. There is no challenge to gathering 100 million gil, there is only the complete waste of time mindlessly grinding.

@ Naberrie - Housing has been promoted since beta, and before that more vaguely. Our FC has been working since launch to save up for this. And now, at our pace of gaining gil, we get told it will take us another 9 months to save enough to buy the smallest plot of land for a house that can fit as many people in it as a free mog house in XI and 10 fewer furnishings is nothing short of disappointing to say the least.

[Ethalio]

Did people really think they were going to be able to buy houses on day 1? Why does everyone think they're going to get everything quickly and easily and complain when a game that charges you a monthly subscription adds a feature that can only be accomplished over time?

It's not about being able to buy a house on day 1. It's about the fact that the prices for the land plot are too high and different between the servers and most FCs don't see themselves being able to afford the price in a reasonable amount of time (3 month). Most players don't want to spend the next 3 month just on accumulating gil.
It'd be better to make a land plot more accessible for all FCs and make building the house expensive. That way the FCs could still place outside furniture on their own land and hang out together, which is far more motivating than grinding for gil to buy a plot of land.

[Reinheart]

Did people really think they were going to be able to buy houses on day 1? Why does everyone think they're going to get everything quickly and easily and complain when a game that charges you a monthly subscription adds a feature that can only be accomplished over time?

Maybe because they mentioned during 1.0 that housing was going to be in 2.0 so people saved money?
Maybe because in the 9th producer letter live (i think, could be another source like interview) YoshiP said if you save up enough, you should be able to buy S size land at least and even that's not realistic for many on legacy server.

I support XIV development team and YoshiP but I really think this housing cost is a joke.
They say Legacy people have more money without considering not all are billionaires, that's only a 1-2% handful range (dunno the actual %) I has 7 mil when 1.0 ended, due to denomination I was dropped to 700k, since then I worked just a little and have 2 mil. I put in 100k to the FC thinking if everyone chips in (100 member FC) that it'll be good enough for land, we're no where close...

Why is it that non-legacy and legacy worlds can earn the exact same amount of gil from the mobs, quests but our prices has to be different just because some people brought in too much gil from the previous version. There are new players on the legacy worlds due to the 2 weeks of login issue people had too, SE forgetting that, those new players are same as new players on a non-legacy world, no matter how much those people try they aren't going to get the house as fast as those on non-legacy world. This is not fair at all.

[LiadansWhisper]

Did people really think they were going to be able to buy houses on day 1? Why does everyone think they're going to get everything quickly and easily and complain when a game that charges you a monthly subscription adds a feature that can only be accomplished over time?

No. We thought it would be prices we could actually work towards. These prices are completely out of my FC's range. It would take us five years to save enough gil to buy the smallest house at our current rate of gil acquisition.

I understand that you and others feel that our upset is silly and stupid, but you would go a long way towards being taken seriously if you would stop with this ridiculous straw man that everyone just "wants housing on day 1." No one has flipping said that. No one. We said we want to eventually get a house, and that it seems completely out of reach. Please stop being dense.

[Naberrie]

We said we want to eventually get a house, and that it seems completely out of reach. Please stop being dense.

I'm not being dense. People just aren't thinking this through. Prices aren't set. They drop if no one's buying. Which it seems no one will be. So while you're saving, prices are dropping. And my guess is that if, in six months time, only a few houses are up, SE will drop the prices even more when they realize they priced people out of it.

You will be able to buy one. Just not right now. Everyone just needs to stop freaking out.

[LiadansWhisper]

I'm not being dense. People just aren't thinking this through. Prices aren't set. They drop if no one's buying. Which it seems no one will be. So while you're saving, prices are dropping. And my guess is that if, in six months time, only a few houses are up, SE will drop the prices even more when they realize they priced people out of it.

You will be able to buy one. Just not right now. Everyone just needs to stop freaking out.

Please stop telling people to not be upset. Please stop telling people that if they are upset, they're whining. Please go away. If you don't like what someone is saying, you don't have to read it. No one is forcing you to post and tell people that they're whiners, crying, and should just shut up. I get that you're not in our shoes - I get that. The smallest house on your server is only 4 million gil to start out with. That's awesome. That's totally in range. Hell, that might even be a little low. The smallest, crappiest plot of land on my server is 20 million gil. My FC has managed to save up a grand total of one million gil in three months. The plot of land on your server is TOTALLY doable. That's something that we could save up for, could really work for. The plot of land on my server would take two and a half years even at 50% of the starting cost for us to save for at this rate. Our markets are in free fall, and this isn't going to help. With no one buying anything, how are we going to earn more gil to try to reach this amount?

Please try to put yourself in someone else's shoes instead of deciding that because prices on your server are reasonable they are reasonable everywhere.

[Naberrie]

Please stop telling people to not be upset. Please stop telling people that if they are upset, they're whining. Please go away.

Planning on going away. But before I do, please stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying people just need to step away and get some air on this. The sky is not actually falling. Everything will work out.

EDIT: And for the record, even though my server needs less, my FC is probably still about 90% short of what we need to buy the land.

[Nica]

I'm just saying people just need to step away and get some air on this. The sky is not actually falling. Everything will work out.

same things were said by some about FF14.


... for 1.0

[Camate]

Greetings everyone,

First off, we'd like to thank you for all of your feedback thus far, and as usual, we're working to get it all collected and delivered to the dev. team. That said, last night our counterparts in Japan hosted a live patch notes reading for those that might not want to read the full wall of text. Yoshida joined in to offer commentary on specific aspects, and we'd like to share what was said regarding the pricing for the Free Company housing.

One thing we wanted to avoid was situations where free companies wanted to build a house but couldn't because the land was sold out. We also examined all of the free companies across all Worlds, how many members there were, and how much gil each member possessed. We've been proactively removing RMT, but there is still a bit of RMT gil left in the economy which we've accounted for when creating the pricing.

In patch 2.1 you'll be able to generate a bit more gil. Battle classes can earn an average of 15,000-18,000 gil per day, and with role bonuses in the Duty Roulette this can exceed 20,000 gil. Doing this several days a week you can save up quite a bit of gil, and if all FC members do the same, it will become a considerable amount. We estimate that by doing this for around three months you should be able to purchase land.

For new users playing on Legacy servers, there were questions about how they would be able to purchase land as it's much more expensive, so moving forward we will be making adjustments to the lower limits. The prices listed in the patch notes are the high prices, and there have been comments that no one will buy them, but again, we will look at conditions and look into reducing the lower limits. We'll be keeping a close on eye on how everyone is making gil and on the economic conditions for each World.

We understand that the initial prices for housing are extremely high, but this is a patch filled with a lot of content, so as you are having fun and enjoying everything the price will come down.

[OrionInerghem]

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