Quote Originally Posted by Dlewis1986 View Post
Our cd suite is still terrible compared to pally
Not really. While the WAR CDs are explicitly *weaker* than the PLD CDs, they are also on lower CDs:

WAR gets...
Foresight (~10% reduction in physical damage taken) with 20 sec duration every 90 secs (22.2% uptime)
Vengeance (30% damage reduction) with 15 sec duration every 120 secs (12.5% uptime)
ToB (20% +hp, amounts to a 16.7% reduction in percent of total hp taken) with 20 sec duration every 120 secs (12.5% uptime)
Featherfoot (15% evasion) with 15 sec duration every 90 secs (22.2% uptime)
Convalescence (20% +healing) with 20 sec duration every 120 secs (12.5% uptime)
Holmgang (can't be reduced to less than 1 hp) with 6 sec duration every 180 secs (3.33% uptime)

PLD gets...
Foresight (~10% reduction in physical damage taken) with 20 sec duration every 120 secs (12.5% uptime)
Rampart (20% damage reduction) with 20 sec duration every 90 secs (22.2% uptime)
Convalescence (30% +healing) with 20 sec duration every 120 secs (12.5% uptime)
Sentinel (40% damage reduction) with 10 sec duration every 180 secs (5.56% uptime)
Bulwark (60% +block, with 20% based block chance and 25% block value, equals ~14.3% reduction in physical damage) with 15 sec duration every 180 secs (8.33% uptime)
Hallow Ground (100% damage reduction) with 10 sec duration every 420 secs (2.38% uptime)

WAR manages a CD coverage of 85.23% (toss in the ~20-26% uptime we'll have from IB and it's well over 100%) while PLD manages 63.47% (that's 31.1% higher potential uptime; if you get rid of the Holmgang and HG as emergency buttons, it goes up to 34%). So while PLD gets *stronger* CDs, WAR gets to have ours up a helluva lot more often which means that, if you look at the mean contribution, the 2 CD suites provide nearly identical benefits over time: WAR manages an effective mean mitigation over time (from CDs, ignoring Holmgang because it's just really weird) of 13.9% while PLD manages 15.25% (it's only 12.9% if you ignore Hallowed Ground like we're ignoring Holmgang).

So, yeah, after 2.1, it's an outright fallacy to say that the PLD CD suite is explicitly better than the WAR CD suite. Once you factor in Inner Beast, you can't even say that PLD's have a distinct advantage in short term CD mitigation (outside of Hallowed Ground).