New Live Letter: YoshiP Comments on Housing Prices

[Icefall]

It's frustrating seeing people saying 'go work for it' when for many FCs, that's what we've been doing since the 2.0 launch. I know my FC has been working since the start to pool money for 2.1 housing and I personally know many others who have as well. For us, its not 'wait 3 months', its really 'wait 6 months' since that's how long we've been at this and will have to be at it for even the glimmer of a small house. And there is the chance that at that 6 month point (from our perspective, 3 months since 2.1 launch), all those small plots are taken, then we will be waiting on SE to add another instance, and that new instance starts plot prices at the highest point again, so then that's another 3 month wait. This is a real possibility that not enough people are taking into account. You can work hard, spend half a year at this, finally have enough money, and then have to wait even longer because of SE's fear of server budgeting/testing/coding/whatever, not a fault on you or your FC. It's a terrible insult to players who have been taking this long promoted feature seriously and working towards it for months already.

As for what Yoshi said today about being able to make 20k a day from the new content, that's nice, but activity rewards aren't scaled by server, now are they? Again, its a punishment against all servers, legacy in particular, especially players who came to these servers brand new as of 2.0. So much of an MMO is about community, feeling pride or a sense of home on your server and with those around you. I don't see any of that with this going on. I just see people frustrated at their community, their server, and SE, because a few people are holding the majority of money which is now punishing all players, and we can't even pack up and head to more stable climates. It's a breeding ground of frustration, disappointment, and resentment, amongst other things.

Given how often the numbers in general that Yoshi has stated in live letters have been incorrect or significantly changed, at this point he really shouldn't make statements on them any more. It just comes across as he really is not as in touch with his teams as one would think he would be. Even the other day during the live letter, he was saying 8mil for a small house on legacy servers, then an hour later the update notes are posted and its really 20-40mil. That's information he really should have already been familiar with and been able to express clearly, especially when questions are polled and culled in advance for answering. If he's not the one in the know, let's have the staff who do know what's going on guest appear on the live letters to give us more clear and accurate responses.

[Ispen]

The thread has over 2k likes.
That's proof enough people hate this BS. [I'm sure everyone from everywhere went ahead and liked the post too.]

I can't stand these White Knight's anymore.
Yoshi can do no wrong, ever. With the little time we had to make cash, even 1.0 players can't afford it.
Those who wanted to go solo, well that's out the air.
This is what happens when you have RMT's acting like they own the damn place.
Patch should be called: Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm for RMT's to go friggin' wild because
this is a perfect patch.

-SE and RMT's shaking hands.gif;

Count to ten and breathe, again like it or not 2k is a minority when you consider how many are playing now before you go sprouting that phrase which i'm sure most of you are using incorrectly i don't agree with the prices but getting your hopes up over 2k people liking a thread well your setting yourself up for disappointment.

[Nuinn]

SE's instance servers can't handle a large number of housing instances? Solution: Upgrade servers No, no... Divide players among servers and treat them unequally. Especially the Legacy ones since they would have the money to buy all instances if the prices were equal for all - you know, just as the price of every other game mechanic is equal.

Separate but equal....

[snakey77]

i don't see personal housing being much cheaper if there intent on have a fc bust there nut for a year + just to get the gill there sure to dick us on personal housing… I'm a solo player do my own thing like it that way played since beta loved the idea of housing got dicked when i found out fc housing was coming first then started a fc started ranking it up then the absolute ridiculous price of the land and housing.. i play well played quite a lot not working and all what about the majority of ppl that pay there sub and work and play casual?? not to mention the problems that will arise with in fc's say john wants to put in for the house but bill doesn't etc due to personal housing causing problems within the fc its self .. way to fuck with the already fragile community yoshi

[PapesseLudovique]

*snipped because bad forum*

Corrected in my post
and I agree, fanboys are what is killing this industry.

Its disgusting watching them actually working against their own best interest, out of some weak misplaced affection for companies that clearly don't care about them.


Its always the same set of strawman arguments and logical fallacies. (i.e. claiming that forum communities are a minority, thus the support here doesn't count. While being the minority of that minority).

They accuse the critics of crying about trivial matters, without a shred of a sense of irony or hypocrisy, in crying over criticism. Because we all know forum posts that bruise their ego is way less trivial, than a joyless game mechanic that prohibits most from enjoying it.

[Arriverderci]

Count to ten and breathe, again like it or not 2k is a minority when you consider how many are playing now before you go sprouting that phrase which i'm sure most of you are using incorrectly i don't agree with the prices but getting your hopes up over 2k people liking a thread well your setting yourself up for disappointment.

Yeah, sorry I'm pretty pissed about these prices.
I don't care if I'm Minority or whatever the hell. I am sick of seeing that word all over the damn place.

I WANNA HOUSE WAHH! <-- Yup that's me. I wanna house, and I want it at a reasonable price.
I looked forward to housing. I don't mind me busting my ass off, but not like this. I don't care if it is
FC housing. They shouldn't of put FC housing BEFORE Personal. Another screwy mistake.
"Well we wanted to test servers dur hur." You'll have a better time stressed them them out with personal.
Not many people will even afford this crap. Nothing to stress here guys! Only 1 FC house was sold derp for 20 mill!

[Naunet]

SE's instance servers can't handle a large number of housing instances? Solution: Upgrade servers No, no... Divide players among servers and treat them unequally. Especially the Legacy ones since they would have the money to buy all instances if the prices were equal for all - you know, just as the price of every other game mechanic is equal.

Why would they want to actually improve their game from the bottom up? If you put enough gil grinds in, people will never notice how shoddily built the content is!

[Nialle]

What does that mean "adjustments" ? Lets say he noticed that the prices are to high and cut them down... Are ppl that bought a land already by then fucked? <.<

The entire 'price-reduction-over-time' system that unsold lots have is exactly this, yes.

[Lingarn]

The big problem with this for me is that it means this patch has almost no content for me.

I am in a small, casual free company -- which means that a lot of the new content (extreme primals, crystal tower, etc.) in the new patch is content I am unlikely to see. I am not complaining; I make my own choices. Housing, by contrast, seemed like something that everyone could participate in -- and my free company has been working to get into the gil range they previously indicated would be the cost of housing. A range which they have passed 10-fold or more.

We could grind for the next few months, and get the money to buy a house (assuming they aren't all bought by then) -- but grinding isn't fun, it isn't content, and it isn't a reason to keep paying for another three months.

This decision seems like another in a long string of miscalculations. I guess the best bet is to keep an eye on the new MMOs that will be released in the spring.

[frostmagemari]

The thread has over 2k likes.
That's proof enough people hate this BS. [I'm sure everyone from everywhere went ahead and liked the post too.]

I can't stand these White Knight's anymore.
Yoshi can do no wrong, ever. With the little time we had to make cash, even 1.0 players can't afford it.
Those who wanted to go solo, well that's out the air.
This is what happens when you have RMT's acting like they own the damn place.
Patch should be called: Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm for RMT's to go friggin' wild because
this is a perfect patch.

-SE and RMT's shaking hands.gif;

Count to ten and breathe, again like it or not 2k is a minority when you consider how many are playing now before you go sprouting that phrase which i'm sure most of you are using incorrectly i don't agree with the prices but getting your hopes up over 2k people liking a thread well your setting yourself up for disappointment.

Actually, chances are it's not a minority. The normal breakdown for game population vs active forum members is usually a 90:10 ratio (or 70:30 depending on the study); Meaning that for every person actively complaining or contributing to the thread, there is a large number of people either lurking or simply not visiting the forums, and when you consider how frustrating this forum is to deal with (with content limits and limits on thread creations/replies), there is likely a very large population that will never set foot in here.