Largest house on Hyperion = 150M gil = 150 people donate 1M each, easy

[DoctorMog]

Good thing I have 150 random people in my FC.

Not.

[SarcasmMisser]

Do you think with these outrageous prices that people aren't going to be spending less money in the marketplace to save-up? That kinda puts a wrench in your 'make-money' plans if everyone else in every other FC is trying to do the same thing for a long time to actually save up for these houses.

This is exactly correct, and in fact this has been the trend for months now but the larger-than-expected costs of FC housing has just accelerated the process considerably.

Combined with the fact that money spent on housing is money removed from the economy, and prices will deflate far faster than the fixed deflation rate of the cost of housing. By the time it reaches the floor of 50% the ability to make money will be basically tied to whatever gil fountains exist, which is a galaxy away from the current disproportionate distribution of wealth thanks to the early market.

So the only conclusion to draw from this is since the current prices are dependent on the minority of individuals who have concentrated wealth in their own hands, once this wealth is gone SE will have no choice but to reprice according to the amount of gil in the economy. When you know this as someone very cashed up the last thing you want to do is spend now rather than waiting until a lot of gil disappears in the economy increasing your purchasing power.

This is why SE has made a terrible mistake, they are trying to encourage spending while flat out promising deflation of prices, which has the effect of encouraging hoarding even further. They shouldn't of skipped those economics 101 classes.

On top of that, you can SB ilvl55 gear at the same time. Just run 1 PLD, 3 WHM in full militia gear and make tons of money.

See the post I quoted above for the hole in that plan. Your way of making money is no different from other markets that have declined, and isn't immune to the effects of deflation. Other people have to buy that materia, it's still just a redistribution of gil rather than gil created.

[KamikazeMan]

With the economy in shambles because SE doesn't try to fix the exploits and discourages legit players, it's rather difficult for people to WANT to make money. I still can't believe how easy it is to exploit and how little SE is doing to prevent it. I know they are banning people, which is good, but why ban one person when 3 more will take their place? They need to take measures to prevent these exploits from being done in the first place. I considered myself an ARR fanboy, but seeing how bad things have gotten, I've become more of a casual player now because I feel it's useless to invest time in a game like this in the state it's in. Seriously....teleporting through a dungeon from boss to boss to farm tomes? speed gathering? Sheesh

[Naunet]

SE seems to be trying to combat a phenomenon called diffusion of responsibility. YES, it's difficult for any one person to meaningfully contribute to the giant honking mansion. However, if you guys can't trust people in your FC enough to donate a small amount (500k-1M, which is not large) to a common cause, then there's a problem.

I'm sorry, but 500k-1m is NOT a small amount. That is all of my money. Not everyone has gil bleeding out their ears.

[axemtitanium]

See the post I quoted above for the hole in that plan. Your way of making money is no different from other markets that have declined, and isn't immune to the effects of deflation.

You seem to have failed to quote the important part of my post (i.e., the part that doesn't preface itself with "on top of that"). 2.5k gil per person per 3 minutes = 10k gil for the group per 3 minutes = 200k gil in an hour of NEWLY GENERATED money. If you do the first leg of WP for one hour with 3 FC mates, you are CREATING 200k gil. This is not affected by markets.

[SarcasmMisser]

I didn't quote it because I don't disagree with it. I don't believe the gil fountains are nearly as big as the gil sink of FC housing, SE is clearly trying to remove a lot of gil from the economy.

What that means is that there isn't much hope of reaching the upper end of FC prices, until there is a readjustment of prices. If this happens then buying the FC house at current prices is a huge waste of time, and the big savers know this.

[viion]

The small house was the one shown in the previous LIVE letter (i.e., not the one yesterday). Here's a video. Looks way bigger than an inn room to me. I don't know what SE thinks "small", "medium", and "large" are internally but I would guess that small is <30 members and large is >100 members, just judging by the numbers they've set for land prices. They have set the prices according to what they think a S/M/L FC should be with each member contributing a reasonable amount.

The one in the trailer, is the same one you see there, its small, its the size of the inn, you can tell by the 3 split wall formation per wall. Its tiny, its a Mog House.

[SchalaZeal]

I'm sorry, but 500k-1m is NOT a small amount. That is all of my money. Not everyone has gil bleeding out their ears.

It IS a small amount. You can easily make 50k+ from gathering clusters per hour. And probably a similar rate from fishing.

As long as people need materia, then people will use crystals and clusters to craft the stuff you spiritbond. Also, people will buy foods and potions for Coil, and possibly for Crystal Tower, especially now that they won't expire on deaths. People on the fence about buying 15 foods because of 14 wipes, will now buy it because they'll only need 3 for their turn, the cost/benefit will be reasonable enough. If people want to become rich, they won't all stop spending. Because they need to spend on certain things to make certain other things. Not everyone gathers everything on their own.

[PapesseLudovique]

Yeah... the idea that 10 members needing a FC House seems silly to me especially if they don't give any effort and just want hand me downs

Yeah screw those people that you just made up.

[Alhanelem]

The most expensive possible house on Hyperion (legacy) costs 312M, which can go down as far as 155M with full discount. FCs can hold up to 512 members and the largest houses are "supposed" to be for the largest FCs

Very few FCs have this many members. This scheme forces people to either dogpile into just a few Companies (and share the company hall with hundreds of people) or spend exorbitant amounts of money. I have a few mil on me but most people don't.

If they wanted to base it on anything they should have based the costs on the average amount of money on a character in that world, not the total gil in circulation. It's not like the richest players in this game are acting as banks for poor players to borrow from.