Is asking a tank to use his enmity+ buff rude?

[AunaYuuki]

If they are main tanking they should be in shield oath and defiance. I have caught numerous of plds not using shield oath when pulling massive packs of mobs. If they are using sword oath they have to realize they 100 dps sucks anyhow. Only one I can back up for is a WAR with defiance cause they do some decent deeps. Whether or not the tank puts their buffs up to negate damage taken and emity depends on the dungeon and situation entirely. When my friends and I run AK our war runs without defiance and our pld runs in sword oath but both are heavily i90 geared. If its a duty finder group and they are unable to hold hate then turn it on tanking isn't a hard job yore a meat shield be nice to your healers.

[ken00]

as long as Pld/War can hold hate w/o Shield Oath or Defiance then its fine~
i alwasy run Pld in wp/ak w/ Sword Oath and have no problem not losing hate at all.
And if i notice that i can't keep the hate or the healer is having a hard time healing me then i simply change back to Shield Oath
and if ppl get mad if you tell them to change oath or if they forget it and got mad because you reminded them to,
then its better not playing with those kind of ppl, i usually remind tanks when im doing other classes~

also off topic but the emnity generation on single target with sword/shield oath is quite confusing
for example i had experiences where i steal the aggro on wave3 Dread on Coil turn4 and no,
my partner tank is not slacking tanking the dread(he have 70 overmelded accesories so he got more str than me)
and on turn 5 where i tried to pull/tank twintania with sword oath, the healer easily steals all the hate i generated,
and no again for overhealing because i doubt the
healer can overheal after u eat death sentence plus the debuff.

[Viridiana]

That might be. But trying to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced is just going to make things worse.

When using the duty finder, you need to be prepared for this and accept that you are not always going to be playing with people who you agree with.

Except I've almost always been successful teaching people how to play better. Not always, but almost always. The ones that don't listen I disregard and carry on. . .

[Rochetm]

If your Tank is losing threat its not because of his buff, The only reason that buff has increased enmity is to make up for the loss of threat from reduction in dmg output. I have tested it with FC paladin tank over and over again. Sword oath or no oath generates far more Enmity than with Shield oath up because of the extra dmg you do. Doesn't make sense that it should but it does. Its just a dmg mitigation buff is all. It does however increase enmity to Flash where as not having the above oaths on would not generate any extra threat to flash, but would not take away any threat from it either.

This isn't completely true. Flash will produce are more threat with tank stances they would be better for pld. However the rest is 100% correct... Sword oath/no defiance will produce A LOT more threat on a single target.

Tanking stances are to keep you alive not to allow you to keep threat.

[Devaking55]

You should care if it's productive or not though.

Annoying other players by telling them the way you think they should be playing when they aren't interested in your opinion is just going to make the group fall apart.

Now advising someone who is seeking help on how to play their class better is a whole different ball game.

I'm going to point it out, and then advise against it, but if they don't know how to play the group had fallen apart already. Weird that you failed to see that.

[Devaking55]

If they are main tanking they should be in shield oath and defiance. I have caught numerous of plds not using shield oath when pulling massive packs of mobs. If they are using sword oath they have to realize they 100 dps sucks anyhow. Only one I can back up for is a WAR with defiance cause they do some decent deeps. Whether or not the tank puts their buffs up to negate damage taken and emity depends on the dungeon and situation entirely. When my friends and I run AK our war runs without defiance and our pld runs in sword oath but both are heavily i90 geared. If its a duty finder group and they are unable to hold hate then turn it on tanking isn't a hard job yore a meat shield be nice to your healers.

Well if I can tank pulls without shield oath oh you best believe I will. Play and paladin you will come to love sword oath

[Zakalwe]

Well if I can tank pulls without shield oath oh you best believe I will. Play and paladin you will come to love sword oath

Well, *you* might like it, but you healer might not. I'm talking about on level tanking, not rediculously over-geared groups doing speed runs.

[Zakalwe]

[snip] Tanking stances are to keep you alive not to allow you to keep threat.

Agree, but it sure is ounterintuitive.

[Dale]

I'm going to point it out, and then advise against it, but if they don't know how to play the group had fallen apart already. Weird that you failed to see that.

Just because someone is playing in a way you don't approve of doesn't mean the group has fallen apart.

I have been in so many parties that were getting the job done... then someone just had to open their mouth and I watched in dismay as the party crumbled apart over a difference in opinion about rotations or what moves are best to use.

Unless it's an extreme example where said player is getting everyone killed by the way they are playing, I think it's best just to live and let live.

[Dale]

Except I've almost always been successful teaching people how to play better. Not always, but almost always. The ones that don't listen I disregard and carry on. . .

Well it's been just the opposite in my experience.

Almost always when someone starts trying to tell someone else how to play it ends badly and the group falls apart. It's especially true with tanks, since they can get groups so easily they feel little need to put up with someone trying to tell them their class. So they are more likely to abruptly leave over the slightest perceived insult thrown their way. Which sucks for me, as then I have to wait an hour again in the god ______ dutyfinder.

So if you ever do happen to find yourself in a group with me, I would ask you to please not try to instruct the tank unless it's absolutely necessary