What the changes to War, Drg and Mnk really mean...

[Tiraelina]

LOL, it's pretty widely accepted that DRG at end game is one of, if not the most difficult, jobs to play at an optimum level.

/headshake

2 positional attacks is hard to play?

[Orlandeu]

I have both jobs to 50 and I can attest to the fact that DRGs need a little more attention to play rather than BRDs. No, I'm not saying Bards don't need attention to play, I'm just saying that there are a lot more things DRGs worry about than BRDs.
Dragoons have positioning issues that affect their overall DPS. Miss one and you ruin a rotation. Everybody worries about AoE, DRGs and BRDs alike. The difference? BRDs are affected minimally since you can pewpew while moving and not worry about whether you hit from the flank, behind or front. DRGs on the other hand, need to reposition, whether flank or behind. We are a lite bit dependent on the tank's positioning as well because if they keep moving around, we have to keep up and make sure we get our positional skills at the right time and position. In addition, most of the time we have to stop our DPS in order to avoid AoEs while BRDs can keep on firing arrows. Which I'm not complaining about at all since BRDs should be able to do that.

Also, DRGs worry about more AoEs than BRDs in certain fights.
Caduceus we need to not get hit by Hood Swing and Tail swipe thingy. BRDs normally dont need to worry about this.
ADS we need to worry about Repelling Canons, Ballast and a frontal AoE.
Once again, im not saying that BRDs have nothing to worry about since you need to avoid AoEs like Caduceus's Spit, High voltage and laser thingy, I'm just saying that we all have AoEs to avoid but at the same time DRGs amd MNKs have to worry about repositioning to achieve accurate DPS and combos while BRDs dont.

[Leira_Raine]

Snip.

This. SO MUCH THIS.

Especially the tanks. There are some tanks that just constantly move around everywhere during battle, and every time that happens I pretty much want to sit in a corner of said dungeon and probably rock myself.

[JetBrooks]

It really does blow my mind when people get to 50 and don't know their rotation, but then again there's basically no need to know ANYTHING when you're just FATE grinding to level up. I get it, it's more casual friendly; and I do love being able to get a job to 50 in a week in my spare time, if I want.

We need to just be patient, and either try to explain to people their rotation (explain, not yell at), or point them towards one of the threads on here. I know there's an amazing thread on how to play DRG, not sure about MNK. Also, even knowing rotations, it does take some time to get them down. I understand single target and AOE rotations for BLM, but I was just plain not good at smoothly going from one to another when I first got to 50 as BLM (my main is DRG). Some dude in my party told me," MOAR DPS," and I'm like dude I know, any pointers? And I never got any real feedback.

If you continue to play in PUGs, we have to educate them, they're not going away.

[DoctorPepper]

There will be a bunch of war, drg and mnks that are even worse than they currently are. The majority that play these three jobs are really bad and they are making them more complicated. On top of that by buffing them they are labeling them OP but bads who are going to flock to the new OP jobs...

You are about to see so many bad war/drg/mnk its going to make you sick.

Sounds like a lot of speculation without any evidence to back it up. Every war/drg/mnk I play with is very good at their class.

[AzumaKun]

2 positional attacks is hard to play?

You are a Monk, obviously you're going to make it seem like it's a lot easier than it is, which it isn't. I said at end game, at an optimum level, you are worrying about more than "2 positional" attacks. Having to worry about clipping Chaos Thrusts/Phlebs/Fractures, and putting them back on immediately. Making sure you don't use a FT when HT is going to be dropping. When to use your cooldowns. When to jump. When to use TTT or IDC. When to apply Fracture? How to keep Phlebs and CT's up without losing DPS on a TTT combo? All this while dodging AoE and dealing with other boss mechanics.

The list goes on. I'd advise not jumping to conclusions on what is needed to play at an optimum level if you haven't done it.

[Versiroth]

This. SO MUCH THIS.

Especially the tanks. There are some tanks that just constantly move around everywhere during battle, and every time that happens I pretty much want to sit in a corner of said dungeon and probably rock myself.

Haha, there's nothing worse than missing the HT buff several times in a row because the tank keeps moving the boss. Now that I am a tank, I try my best to plant and only move to avoid AOEs.

[Mishakai]

I really feel for the OP. I mean, he's obviously the best player in ARR across every server, and thus has to suffer immense mental duress each time SE makes a change where he has to tolerate players of lower caliber (everybody else).

I really hope SE goes out of their way to solve his epidemic.

[ChaozK]

I'm honestly wondering how I'm going to juggle Storm's Path and Storm's Eye, especially with them both combo-ing off enmity-less Maim (if they changed one to combo off Skull Sunder it would make much more sense IMO). I can see a lot of trial and error going on the days after the patch.

Thats why they buffed the enmity bonus of defiance

[Rochetm]

Thats why they buffed the enmity bonus of defiance

That and who has threat problems as a warrior?

Monk and Drg are easily the hardest jobs to play correctly in high level content. A single mistake is a massive loss in DPS or a death and nearly every boss has a way to eat melee. We have to move with the tanks, the boss, the aoe, and in some cases range (turn2) all while getting our positional attacks in and keeping our buff/debuffs up. AoE for both Drg and Mnk is very hard to pull off without running out of TP. On top of all that we bring almost no support for our groups. If our LB wasn't so handy you can bet almost no one would ever want us.

Now we are getting a buff and everyone is going to scream how we are OP. Then people are going to start playing/rerolling the fotm OP jobs. Then these forums are going to fill with cries for nerfs of Drg and Mnk while calling us all a bunch of fotm idiots.