Gun Jumpers are so fun..

[Ladon]

Honestly, they shouldn't be able to 'jump the gun' because they are under the same cool downs that you are. Medica II/pulling with regen on is really the only thing that should be pulling hate off of you before you can get your first RoH combo off.

I understand your concern here and the DDs don't have to be dicks about it; but I would look into your opening as well if DDs are actually pulling hate off you at the start as there is some room for improvement on your side.

Obviously them attacking a different target than you at the start would be exempt here.

[whiskeybravo]

It's hard to know what to expect from DF or PUG. I play with some BLMs that love Flare, and others hate it. Same with bards, some just do ST damage, others will make it rain. Just have to adjust to what group I'm playing with is doing, no sense in wasting TP on Overpower if playing with the guys that don't like AoE, and no sense building ST enmity when DPS wants to just nuke them all at once. That being said, I will usually ask if they are nuking or if they prefer to ST. Helps so much in getting off on the right foot.

[magicninja999]

i like pulling things to tanks

[Judge_Xero]

OP. Take it as an opportunity to improve. Learning to tank well with a bad party will make you a better tank overall. If needed, you should direct the other players too since tank is generally the leadership position.

[Orophin]

I've only noticed this really in the lower levels. (Sastasha up through maybe Totorak) The only exception to this was listed above - Succubus mobs in AK. Otherwise if people want to run ahead of me and pull stuff they can tank it. This isn't FFXI or any other game where you need pullers. Tanks have a ranged attack, let them do their job.

[Truefaith87]

Perhaps i should clarify what i ment by "jumping the gun", seems ive confused some people. i usually open anything im not planning on double pulling simply with a tomahawk, but as of lately ive had brd that rush in full buff and just unload when i get 1 single tomahawk off. even with a relic, that doesnt produce some massive chunk of instant emnity. anything else i do outside of overpower to produce chunks of emnity is at least 2 GCD before its noticable (heavy > skull sunder, for example). when i said "jump the gun" i ment it as people unloading their highest, buffed hits right out the door. if i even have 5sec to get emnity before they fire off the big hits, i lose basically nothing, unless its as has been mentioned.. an early heal/regen prefight. sorry if i caused any confusion with the wording of it all.

[Churchill]

Well you could equip Flash and then use it and Overpower to control AoE threat like the class was designed.

Or complain about something only bads complain about, your call.

[Leonus]

OP. Take it as an opportunity to improve. Learning to tank well with a bad party will make you a better tank overall. If needed, you should direct the other players too since tank is generally the leadership position.

Tanks are usually the leader? Is this an actual thing? Is that a self proclaimed role due to being the guy getting your face pushed in?

[RhazeCain]

Perhaps i should clarify what i ment by "jumping the gun", seems ive confused some people. i usually open anything im not planning on double pulling simply with a tomahawk, but as of lately ive had brd that rush in full buff and just unload when i get 1 single tomahawk off. even with a relic, that doesnt produce some massive chunk of instant emnity. anything else i do outside of overpower to produce chunks of emnity is at least 2 GCD before its noticable (heavy > skull sunder, for example). when i said "jump the gun" i ment it as people unloading their highest, buffed hits right out the door. if i even have 5sec to get emnity before they fire off the big hits, i lose basically nothing, unless its as has been mentioned.. an early heal/regen prefight. sorry if i caused any confusion with the wording of it all.

Two possibilities:
1) DPS attacking too fast too hard.
2) Tank being too slow or using less than top threat abilities.
Since it's being reported by tank, could be either and I wouldn't know without seeing video.

I will say that this almost never happens with me warrioring. PUG, DF, whatever. Yes, there's certainly that delay before tank can put up the biggest enmity abilities, but somehow it's rarely a problem. Maybe you just got over-enthusiastic DPS. But if it happens repeatedly, have a look at yourself to see if you can improve something.

- Best damage weapon
- STR, crit, det, etc
- Be quick. Get your 2nd or 3rd hit before their 2nd hit. Don't let any gaps between skills.
- Use damage cooldowns: berserk, Internal Release, Unchained, or maybe STR potion.
- If moving quickly from 1 fight to next, put up Maim at very end of fight.
- etc

[Vmage]

Let them keep the hate and learn from their mistakes.

except then their next group they're with a tank that doesn't lose hate regardless of what they do, and they learn how to push their dps harder.. and the cycle continues.