melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[PenutButter]

What I wanted to see was not a buff to melee or a hard-nerf to bards; what I really wanted was to make changes in mechanics or ranged-classes that would make the mechanics as equally punishing for both dps types. Making things easier for melee would just be dumbing down the content so the solution I wanted was making things harder for range. The changes I wanted to see in bard was to make them more challenging and complicated to play, as they are currently retardedly simple.

In terms of dps, yes, this change will almost certainly make an optimal melee better in single-target dps (though they already are); however, bards and range are still the safer choice. That extra damage often do not make the difference between winning and losing, but staying alive and not sucking the attention and MP of the healers often DO make a difference. They are also the safer choice in terms of dps; with a melee it's less uncertain what you're gonna get.

[PenutButter]

My last point: songs. If bards are gonna be doing comparable dps, then they need to give other dps something to offer the party/raid, or else make bard a dps/support hybrd. Again, the little bit of extra damage rarely makes a difference but songs can and do make a difference; just the fact that the option is there is big plus.

FYI, the "nerf" to bard is not even that significant; they're losing 1 or 2 cross-abilities (one's that they shouldn't even have to begin with) and that's about it. However, I can see why the 10% buff to melee (especially monk) might be too much. Guess we'll see.

[Sayori]

Who the hell cares about a silly nerf, just really..
Play whatever you like to play, stop crying over nerfs and buffs. It's not like bard will be 100% useless just because it'll get nerfed a little.
Bards will always be needed for dungeons like coil and the nerf won't change anything major.

[Phai]

Who the hell cares about a silly nerf, just really...

Bard's maybe?

[Viridiana]

Who the hell cares about a silly nerf, just really..
Play whatever you like to play, stop crying over nerfs and buffs. It's not like bard will be 100% useless just because it'll get nerfed a little.
Bards will always be needed for dungeons like coil and the nerf won't change anything major.

Turn 1: Not needed.
Turn 2: Arguable, but we're not the only silencers by a long shot
Turn 3: Lol
Turn 4: . . .not really seeing it, but I don't have much experience in T4
Turn 5: The world first video shows 2x BRD. . .and they barely sing at all. To be clear, Carraway sings Ballad for ~20 seconds towards the start, then doesn't sing at all again until one of the healers nearly OOMs because 3 people died to Twister. They've since made Twister more forgiving, so I don't foresee this being an issue in the future. The other BRD doesn't sing at all until the second Ballad starts, when he picks up Requiem.

Yep, we're so totally needed all throughout coil. . .

[WiseWolfHolo]

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This was my major concern, once players start to learn how to manage things such as tp and mana better as well as a silence rotation without bard, than the use for bards drops because if they cannot offer a decent amount a dps why bring them. On turn 4 I find myself playing some songs but only for a duration of about 10-15 sec to burn things faster, such as army's so the monk and warrior can just aoe burn after the first dread, but that is really not needed if every1 can do their proper dps for the turn.

[Cynric]

Peanut Butter, bards are the easiest dps to play on purpose. They wont make the job harder because its obviously intended to be a job with a low skill required. Games make classes like bard so that you dont have to be the best in the world to experience the game. Just do it the user friendly way. It will never be the best for its role but it will be less stressful.

[Auburn]

Turn 5: The world first video shows 2x BRD. . .and they barely sing at all. To be clear, Carraway sings Ballad for ~20 seconds towards the start, then doesn't sing at all again until one of the healers nearly OOMs because 3 people died to Twister. They've since made Twister more forgiving, so I don't foresee this being an issue in the future. The other BRD doesn't sing at all until the second Ballad starts, when he picks up Requiem.

Yep, we're so totally needed all throughout coil. . .

Bard is only needed on Turn 5 if something goes wrong; otherwise, we never sing ballad. We only run 2 Bards because that just happens to be the way we leveled.

[Kabooa]

There are 8 slots.
There are 9 jobs.

There are 4 slots (usually) for DPS.
There are 5 DPS jobs.

Which means it comes down to Bard vs Someone else for the slot.

Which means that unless it's some FC that's pushing content so hard that they clear it on the PBE, uber optimizing isn't needed. Isn't required. Isn't something to worried about. That one slot is not going to break you. Especially if Melee is getting an average 10% buff. It means the DPS brought by a Bard may lower through lack of CDs, but is made up by melee who don't die.

It means the only reason a raid group will stop bringing you as a Bard is because they don't like you. Plain and simple. Solution: Be a likeable player.
If they stop bringing you on sole account of being a Bard, well, now you know how X job felt, which would be that one DPS, Tank, or Healer that got excluded because mechanics dictated it.

In short: Always look on the bright side of life.

[Black91CRX]

Peanut Butter, bards are the easiest dps to play on purpose. They wont make the job harder because its obviously intended to be a job with a low skill required.

Low skill? That's really a matter of the player them self, not the class/job. All classes would seem easy to anyone who doesn't know how to use them properly.