Crystal Tower and fears that it will bring out the worst out of people

[diulalasing]

Bigger party = less impact if that 1 person is useless


for example, if there is a raid that requires 800 people, i am sure 799 people who does well and the last remaining guy can probably just follow and do nothing and can still be won


As opposed to if your dps is not doing a thing in your typical AK run, the impact is much much bigger

[Vydos]

Bigger party = less impact if that 1 person is useless


for example, if there is a raid that requires 800 people, i am sure 799 people who does well and the last remaining guy can probably just follow and do nothing and can still be won


As opposed to if your dps is not doing a thing in your typical AK run, the impact is much much bigger

That depends on the instance and the actual person who is the liability. In most cases, healers and tanks = wipe.
But in the case of Garuda + Titan (HM). This could mean bad dps, dps dieing before the critical phase. Meaning, garuda's sisters or Titan's heart not being killed fast enough. You can indeed be lucky and have the least important person in the party be the weakest link.

Besides, strength in numbers seem to even fail in this game most of the time. Looking at Behemot and Odin fate, although that one is mostly blamed on many bugs related to overcrowding.

[Teon]

Bigger party = less impact if that 1 person is useless


for example, if there is a raid that requires 800 people, i am sure 799 people who does well and the last remaining guy can probably just follow and do nothing and can still be won


As opposed to if your dps is not doing a thing in your typical AK run, the impact is much much bigger

We are mostly split into 8 parties, 24 areas or interactions are sporadics. Do you enjoy to carry someone on a 8 man raid (when split)?

Honestly, the DF situation seems to have gotten better since that horrible (truly, truly horrible) first month. I can't say I've encountered any jerks in the last month or so and I do at least four WP runs most nights.

While with 24 people you are more likely to run into bad players/jerks they are also less likely to be able to significantly affect the run. At the end of the day you have 6 tanks and 6 healers. If one of the jerks is a tank, but one of the other parties have 2 i90-geared tanks in them, donate one to the underperforming team and have their healers focus him.

Personally I'm hoping for at least sections where all 24 people are together and the place just floods with enemies. That would be more fun to me than splitting into three teams of 8.

We are split. If the tank is trolling, cannot be replaced / helped

CT, glorifications of jerks on this game. God save us

[Freakiie]

If those people are in a different group there's nothing you can do while waiting for them to catch up. So yes, this is going to be a pretty bad experience for quite a few people. While I never found the DF as "toxic" as the forums wanted you to believe, but the moment you go somewhere with 16 randoms the odds of things going bad are getting pretty damn big.

All you need is one party having some issues and the other 16 people are screwed, because they have to wait (at least that's how I understood CT worked) forever for a group that barely is geared/keeps wiping/has afks/leavers/trolls and so and so on to finally catch up to the point where the three parties are together.

Add to that the loot lock out and there's very little reason for me to really bother with this instance. Can't run it for fun since there'll be plenty of frustrating runs due to randoms, can't run it for gear because of lockouts and can't run it as a full 24 man group to just go in there, chill in TS and have some fun. Don't think I've ever seen a piece of content that was this shunned by the community before it was even released.

[Dedayius]

I am very concerned about the design of CT. The fact that you can only go in as an 8 man group and, as far as we know, MUST depend on the other two groups to progress is a big problem unless the dungeon is easy. I really am imagining a scenario where this will be just slightly harder than AK because otherwise, what is the point? An 8 man group who is coordinated can go into Coil with DL gear and beat it, so CT can't be very hard because of all the random people you are forced to pick up.

Maybe this is just their plan though. To make true end-game content require static 8 man groups and be difficult, and have a parallel progression tree for more casual players with lesser loot rewards that is easier and has much larger parties/alliances to ensure most people get to access the content thereby attempting to keep everyone happy.

[Teon]

If just we had a real GM service, and griefers are instabanned/ put in jail for a week (hoping he will not resub anymore), how different would have been this community, mopped out of junk with this troll attitude

[Tiggy]

Good luck with GM service Sure sure, they will ban that guy, keep believing it

Cause your cynicism is a solution instead? At least reporting it puts his name on their list. Not reporting it does absolutely nothing. I'll go with the option that provides at least a small chance of success vs the one that does absolutely nothing.

[Xatsh]

People who are in endgame guilds are going to get pissed at carrying people in AK gear and ifrit weapons through Crystal Tower.

SE is forcing this on people. First off the mandatory pug needs to be removed that is the stupid design ever for endgame. SE continuing on their quest to break up guilds in XIV for what ever reason. 2nd SE needs to raise the min item level to 70 to enter this.

This is going to be a negative to the community big times. Because I almost garentee serious endgame guild groups that get stuck with ultra casuals with absolutely no endgame gear will not mix well. A group having to wait 10-20mins for a lesser group to catch up or beat their part is just 100% unacceptable. That and people will want to "Watch the Story" EVERY TIME....... which is also unacceptable to most endgame groups.

So SE better have made this stupid faceroll easy or they better fix the horrifically designed grouping feature for this event quicker then patch 2.2.

[FinagleABagel]

Aren't you all forgetting that CT is tuned to ilevel 55? That's WP gear and way back on the progression curve.

Do people still, legitimately, wipe on WP? I'm not talking about speed runs, I'm talking about your run-of-the-mill WP attempt. Heck, I fully expect to clear CT on the first try - even with 16 PUGs. I seriously doubt it will be even a slight challenge and to boot - I don't need a single piece of gear from it.

Even if it sucks, won't impede many of us that are already on Coil T4+.

[Sunarie]

This, along with people dropping group after they've gotten their piece of loot, would be what I'm afraid of. I'm willing to give it a chance though.