Here is what I don't understand about the CT Lockout

[Shioban]

Nobody is stopping you from making an alt Char if it's really that important to you.. FF has the job system, but you can just as easily ignore it and make other chars then same the way other MMO's are set up.

Last I checked, you can make 8 alts per server if you have the higher tier service. That's one alt for each class.

I know the damage control unit are out in full force here but try and at least understand our point-of-view here;



The problem we're encountering is;

•Do Turns 1-5 [Done]
•Do Crystal Tower for your weekly piece of gear

-Now what?

The other content will dry up before the end of the year is out, and that's not even the try-hards headbutting the content from day one.The extreme primals, daily quests and treasure hunts will not last until April/March.


The idea of the game was to promote the armoury system "No need for an alternative character!". We're getting into the generic MMO pattern of locking people out of content which makes it useless for the rest of the week.
It's only feasible to currently gear one of your classes currently, and as of 2.1 you can get a piece of week for your alternative choice.

It's settling into the 'I'll log in Mon/Tue to do these things, and then sit a twiddle my thumbs for the rest of the week'.

How is this considered good?

It will take 5 weeks to gear one class ASSUMING there's only five pieces of gear.
Assuming there's 6 set of gear for all nine individual jobs, it would take around 30 weeks to gear them all.

So instead of The Crystal Tower becoming a viable 'catch-up on coil' option, its become another raid-lock out for vanity pieces, as at this rate you can gear faster in coil than you can in the tower, it's ridiculous.

[Welsper59]

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Try pointing out any recent content from any game that doesn't run dry for someone within a few months. There really isn't any. They could provide 10 raids (years worth of content) in a single patch, and I can guarantee it'd "run dry" for a number of people in a matter of months, even if it were as difficult as T5. It's easy to criticize, but your peers are essentially the people who live and breathe this stuff. Do you really think any amount of content won't just be attempted to be cleared immediately? Remember how fast people were criticizing T5 as "impossible"?

[Kleman]

Try pointing out any recent content from any game that doesn't run dry for someone within a few months. There really isn't any. They could provide 10 raids (years worth of content) in a single patch, and I can guarantee it'd "run dry" for a number of people in a matter of months, even if it were as difficult as T5. It's easy to criticize, but your peers are essentially the people who live and breathe this stuff. Do you really think any amount of content won't just be attempted to be cleared immediately? Remember how fast people were criticizing T5 as "impossible"?

Absolute Virtue.

[Shioban]

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I never ran out of things to do in FFXI, so bang goes that theory.

In the case of World of Warcraft, the period between "We've run out of content" and new content being released was very short.

Because the content they're releasing has no longevity, it has a lock-out to compensate that.

They're afraid of using some of the older tactics that games used to incite people to put more effort and or wait longer and try harder for a reward.


The "I can play this for a few hours a week and still progress as far as everyone else" nonsense is my issue, I completely understand it's hard to find a balance to appease both sides but currently one side is getting a sourer taste than the other.


Essentially we're being prevented from utilising the armoury system they boasted would "seperate FFXIV from other MMOs!, change your job on the fly!", but with these lock-outs you simply can't gear it to the same level, there's no option other than to sit and wait till the next week to do it.

For the most part people have said they'd like the option of a really low drop-rate in favour of being able to run content more, simply because they're left with nothing to do for the rest of the week.

[Kleman]

Due to the lack of content, and horrible restrictions placed upon us we've resulted to arguing about this game. Even those who are defending it are bored and ran out of things to do, otherwise they wouldn't be here arguing.

[Dano]

I know the damage control unit are out in full force here but try and at least understand our point-of-view here;



The problem we're encountering is;

•Do Turns 1-5 [Done]
•Do Crystal Tower for your weekly piece of gear

-Now what?


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do Myth dungeons for i90 gear of your choice? get through extreme primals for i90 weapon and accessories? do moogle to gear your alts with i80 weapons?

there are plenty of other venues to get gear.

[Shioban]

do Myth dungeons for i90 gear of your choice? get through extreme primals for i90 weapon and accessories? do moogle to gear your alts with i80 weapons?

there are plenty of other venues to get gear.

You've missed the point completely. Each avenue presents the same problem of a lock out to hault progression, a barrier if you will.

Currently no matter what avenue I persuse I cannot work to obtain the gear I need to attempt content like Turn 5.

As Emsix said it gets VERY dry doing the same job, simply because its the only one geared for the only content of that calibur in-game currently.

The idea of the Crystal Tower was to circumvent this to an extent, a stepping stone to helping aid you in beating Turn 5, and now it's just become another weekly lock-out, it's just a shame that's all really.

It's the overall gear, in terms of weapons we're sorted.


Perhaps my rose-tinted glasses hurt my eyes from playing other games where there was lots of unique gear that provided some form of effort to obtain and provided interesting choices instead of 'THIS IS THE BEST USE THIS'.

"Oh but you have a choice between Allagan or AF+1" /sigh

[Dano]

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it's a reasonable barrier, when all contents always reward you with gear it's normal to have artificial barriers or do you prefer we go back to 1.0's drop rates with no barriers?

Point is, you can still gear one job to clear turn 5 or you can gear your other jobs down the line and still enjoy doing turn 5, its not like the content will be gone after 2.1, it's also a good idea to help new comers gear up for the next new set of contents.

In truth you don't really need full on i90 to clear turn 5, a few pieces here and there is sufficient (as long as you meet hp, acc and dps checks). If your concern is clearing content i don't see that being an issue.

shamless edit: this might be something to look into in terms of CT loot lockouts
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Full-Raid-Lock

according to translation EM primals have chests that drop i90 accessories
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...21-2.1-and-2.2

[Zantetsuken]

Perhaps my rose-tinted glasses hurt my eyes from playing other games where there was lots of unique gear that provided some form of effort to obtain and provided interesting choices instead of 'THIS IS THE BEST USE THIS'.

"Oh but you have a choice between Allagan or AF+1" /sigh

Yeah, horizontal progression is FAR better than the current one-track vertical progression. The lack of any real choices in armor is my biggest complaint about this game.

[Earthgaia]

Yeah, horizontal progression is FAR better than the current one-track vertical progression. The lack of any real choices in armor is my biggest complaint about this game.

What are you talking about? There is alot of horizontol progression, 3 different ilvl90 weapons 2 different ilvl90 armor sets, 3 different accessory sets ilvl90?

3 different ilvl70 weapons there are about 3 gear sets for each ilvl that's plenty of choices

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