Perspective as "THE OTHER" tank class.

[Judge_Xero]

It's funny because of the stigma that War is bad. People assume it's for everything even though it's just for coil. People that are more aware would choose War as long as the player is good. Outside of SR at least.

[OmegaSinX]

People that are more aware would choose War as long as the player is good. Outside of SR at least.

Actually WP SR with WAR is alot faster than with PLD if you know what your doing. I've done it with both my WAR and PLD and since I've did it with WAR I never want to do it with my PLD anymore. The faster SR i've done with my PLD is about 17mins. I do 12min SR on a regular with my WAR.

[Zoomie]

Actually WP SR with WAR is alot faster than with PLD if you know what your doing. I've done it with both my WAR and PLD and since I've did it with WAR I never want to do it with my PLD anymore. The faster SR i've done with my PLD is about 17mins. I do 12min SR on a regular with my WAR.

I haven't tried WP with my warrior enough to debate which is better. That being said 17 minutes with a PLD is barely even a speed run and I can't imagine that you being a WAR somehow allowed 5 minutes to be taken off.

[OmegaSinX]

I haven't tried WP with my warrior enough to debate which is better. That being said 17 minutes with a PLD is barely even a speed run and I can't imagine that you being a WAR somehow allowed 5 minutes to be taken off.

Alot of things play into factor.

1. PLD doesnt have AoE DPS outside of CoS every 20sec.
2. I Find that On My WAR, BLM's are able to use Flare x3+ if they want without causing issues with Threat.
3. Warrior Has Multiple AoE Damage Attacks. Overpower, Steel Cyclone, Vengeance.
4. Warriors can Boost DPS with combos In Defiance, PLD has to swith oaths to do more DPS (outside of Flight of Fight) Which will prolly get him killed.
5. Along with Overpower I can Do Steel Cyclone 3x a fight every other fight. My Steel Cyclone hits 400-700 on each target.

Below, Although this isnt my video; it is an example of how good WAR SR can be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtJpcexlEg

[Zoomie]

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I'm not arguing that WAR can't be effective in SR's, obviously we're capable. That being said the fastest WP I've ever heard of is 8 mins 24 seconds by a PLD/BRD/BLM/WHM. The big difference being that with MP song the PLD can spam flash plus the WHM can spam holy due to the PLD's ability to use cool downs to remove the need for most healing and cover for when the BLM goes ham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi6TUplUuoM

[OmegaSinX]

I'm not arguing that WAR can't be effective in SR's, obviously we're capable. That being said the fastest WP I've ever heard of is 8 mins 24 seconds by a PLD/BRD/BLM/WHM. The big difference being that with MP song the PLD can spam flash plus the WHM can spam holy due to the PLD's ability to use cool downs to remove the need for most healing and cover for when the BLM goes ham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi6TUplUuoM

This group in the video is fully decked out in ilvl90 Gear. The WAR in my video was still wearing DL.... Although its prolly the fastest SR on tape, I wouldnt be surprised if a someone comes along and beats that record with a WAR . i Gurantee you someone will, especially after 2.1. Prolly has already happened. BTW If a WAR is Geared enough, it isnt neccessary to heal them constantly if he is good. When I run with FC WHM, They spam Holy very often.

[Leiron]

T i Gurantee you someone will, especially after 2.1. Prolly has already happened.

Okay Miss Cleo.

[Zoomie]

This group in the video is fully decked out in ilvl90 Gear. The WAR in my video was still wearing DL....

Look again at your video. He has 8002hp in Defiance which is considerably more than a DL warrior has. Meanwhile he may be wearing the DL chest but he is visibly wearing af+1 boots, gloves, and probably the allagan legs based on the bit of skin we can see above his boots. He is far from a "DL" warrior as you seem to think.

You would agree PLD is easier to play right ? So how do you explain no matter if I do with pug or FC, that its always faster with my WAR ? Dont say gear because it is shared.

Find a video with a warrior tank SR that comes anywhere close to 8:24 and we can have a debate. I simply don't understand what you're arguing. No one is saying that warrior can't SR, aren't good at SRing, or that PLD's do more dps in a SR. Simply that as it stands now, yes we're talking about 2.0, that PLD's are the superior SR tank based on all the evidence shown in this thread thus far.

I simply can't say, from experience, which is better. I haven't done any real experience "min/maxing" a speed run as both WAR and PLD so I won't argue which is better as I don't feel qualified.

[Setis_Dagre]

Actually WP SR with WAR is alot faster than with PLD if you know what your doing. I've done it with both my WAR and PLD and since I've did it with WAR I never want to do it with my PLD anymore. The faster SR i've done with my PLD is about 17mins. I do 12min SR on a regular with my WAR.

I run 10-12min WPs on my PLD, so I don't think that's it. Granted, the rest of your group composition can have something to do with it, my best times are with PLD/BLM/BLM/WHM (a WHM who knows how to swing Holy).

[Judge_Xero]

I run 10-12min WPs on my PLD, so I don't think that's it. Granted, the rest of your group composition can have something to do with it, my best times are with PLD/BLM/BLM/WHM (a WHM who knows how to swing Holy).

That's what I usually run. My favorite group is PLD/BLM/BRD/WHM. Nowhere near 8 minutes yet, though. Even @ 11 minutes it still feels like cheating.