Play Monday, take rest of week of.

[Tiggy]

First off, assuming people have nothing to do is your own opinion. Even if you state that the forums has quite a few posts of players having nothing to do, we know for a fact that the forums is not used by the entire subscriber base and nor does it completely represent the entire subscriber base.

Secondly, insulting people who do not support opinions as facts based on your own opinion that has no evidence or little proof to support it is down right silly.

I was going to say something about what Kakaarato said, but you nailed it.


I'm really tired of this whole situation where people make sweeping statements about the game (ie. 95% of players only login on monday!) based on no facts other than loose observations, and then when people inevitably pop up and point out the ridiculousness of the statement we get called white nights. I'm sorry I don't agree with your assumptions, but that in no way shape or form makes those of us who use actual logical fact base analysis into White Knights. If I'm a white knight I'm a white knight for logic and common sense and I will fight assumptions and poor analysis at every turn. This has nothing to do with my stance on the game, and if people want to keep it that way then they need to learn to make better formed arguments. People also need to learn to disassociate opinions from fact. Such as the op.

That said I log in almost every day of the week and have been since launch. Know what I do? Make alt classes, go help FC members, try my hand at crafting, or level a chocobo. The fact is there are things to do, but you choose not to do them. Deal with that fact before you start bitching more about the lack of content. All you want is content that you personally want and you could care less about those people having fun doing everything else. The fact is there are thousands of players each day enjoying all that other content, and you are in a minority. An extremely vocal minority, but a minority none the less.

[PallasLloyd]

I'm really tired of this whole situation where people make sweeping statements about the game (ie. 95% of players only login on monday!) based on no facts other than loose observations, and then when people inevitably pop up and point out the ridiculousness of the statement we get called white nights.

This is so cute coming from the person who just asserted:

95% is a completely made up number. You are making ridiculously wild assumptions based solely on your personal experience. [...] That number is likely closer to a tenth of that value or less. Just because you hang out with like minded individuals and perceive most people to be just like you does not in anyway count as proof of the fact. You are in the minority.

You get called white knights because you're oblivious to your own hypocrisy.

[Tiggy]

This is so cute coming from the person who just asserted:



You get called white knights because you're oblivious to your own hypocrisy.

That isn't hypocrisy. No where did I make an assertion of a specific number. In fact I use verbage that suggests I clearly don't know the real answer. Such as saying "that number is likely" instead of making an explicit statement deciding how much that number must absolutely be. I call players like a minority this because Yoshi-p does. He has the census info and is in a position to make such factual statements. No you. Not me. Not anyone here. Learn to point out hypocrisy when it's real please.

[Sunarie]

That isn't hypocrisy.

I think the hypocrisy part was you not having any actual numbers and then calling one group the minority. Fact of the matter is, you can't know either way. We don't have any recent numbers from SE as far as subscription levels go. We have mixed statements from both sides of the board on the forums.. neither of which is an adequate gauge as forums aren't really used by most the people playing the game. All anyone has to go on is personal experience in the game at this point and that's widely mixed as well. Jumping completely on either side of the fence is not statistically supported.

[Tiggy]

I think the hypocrisy part was you not having any actual numbers and then calling one group the minority. Fact of the matter is, you can't know either way. We don't have any recent numbers from SE as far as subscription levels go. We have mixed statements from both sides of the board on the forums.. neither of which is an adequate gauge as forums aren't really used by most the people playing the game. All anyone has to go on is personal experience in the game at this point and that's widely mixed as well. Jumping completely on either side of the fence is not statistically supported.

I don't have the link since I can't remember which letter he said it in, but Yoshi-p did say most players weren't to the coil yet. That's as close to absolute as anyone is going to get. Going based off that calling those coil players complaining about a lack of content a minority isn't an exaggeration nor a sign of any hypocrisy from me.

[Sunarie]

I don't have the link since I can't remember which letter he said it in, but Yoshi-p did say most players weren't to the coil yet. That's as close to absolute as anyone is going to get. Going based off that calling those coil players complaining about a lack of content a minority isn't an exaggeration nor a sign of any hypocrisy from me.

A majority of players don't have to be in Coil for a majority of players to only log in Mondays. There can be plenty of people who only log in Monday to cap Myth.. or people in FCs that are mainly active on Mondays, so even if they're still leveling, they mainly are active on Mondays since that's when their friends are on. Also, unless it was the most recent live letter, then that information is over a month old and could have changed drastically.

I am not saying it's definitive one way or the other.. just pointing out that you don't have statistics either, and so calling a group the minority can easily be seen as hypocrisy.

Just to add.. I also hate the term white knight. Was not at all supporting that.. I just hate people jumping to conclusions on either side of the fence when we just can't know for months to come how the game is going to turn out. Way too early to label it a success or a failure.

[Machazareel]

Also, unless it was the most recent live letter, then that information is over a month old and could have changed drastically.

It was. I seem to recall him saying that only a few % of the playerbase are actually doing coil seriously, or something to that effect.

[Welsper59]

This is so cute coming from the person who just asserted:



You get called white knights because you're oblivious to your own hypocrisy.

If that's justification for referring to someone as a "white knight", then I think you should review your diction. Just call people as they are... "oblivious" and/or "hypocrite". Then again, this is the interwebz, where made up words (like what I just said) have their own made up meaning for every individual.

[Kakaarato]

I was going to say something about what Kakaarato said, but you nailed it.

That said I log in almost every day of the week and have been since launch. Know what I do? Make alt classes, go help FC members, try my hand at crafting, or level a chocobo. The fact is there are things to do, but you choose not to do them. Deal with that fact before you start bitching more about the lack of content. All you want is content that you persone are thousands of players each day enjoying all that other content, and you are in a minority. An extremely vocal minority, but a minority none the less.

Yea your missing it. For people like my self, this game has little to offer, i.e; legacy players with everything at 50 or players that just wont to have 1 class at 50. Not everyone wants them all leveled, Hell I only did it because SR dungeons in 1.0 required it. dat white knights tho