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  1. #211
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrystWildkey View Post
    However, I am still left with no understanding of why something like this would devalue anyone else's experience.
    It makes it easier which in turn makes the win feel less satisfying. That can devalue other player's experiences. Unless of course if it's an option you can toggle on/off but if that happened there would need to be some form of penalty for using the buffs unless most people would just refuse to do the normal mode without buffs in anyway.
    But yeah making it easier can devalue other people's experience who enjoy the challenge. I personally really enjoy shmups. If I had the harder difficulties taken out of the games I played then I would get bored fast and just not bother to play anymore. Just wouldn't be fun.
    Perhaps not the best example though as the difficulty in those games is part of what makes me love them.
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    You win, Mr. Falcus! (no prize for you)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandora View Post
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    I'm a troll because I think people should at least ATTEMPT said content before asking for a nerf? Asking for a story mode dungeon is asking for a nerfed dungeon. Half the people here asking for a story mode, haven't even attempted Coil yet, they aren't even CLOSE, not in gear wise, but level wise to doing it. All they know is that people said it's hard. Then they give reasons like "it's not my play style" "Why should I have to gear up to experience hard content?" " I don't raid, I don't care about end game" " I don't want to grind to get better gear, that's not fair!" ._. With reasons like those, there doesn't need to be a story mode for an optional raid and SE apparently doesn't think so either, hmm go figure.
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    Last edited by Faedden; 12-04-2013 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptolemy View Post
    absolutely nothing is stopping them from completing the content,besides themselves, from the posts here i've read , they would rather just wait till it's nerfed into the ground so it doesn't require much of them
    You're not getting the point. Their motives don't matter in the slightest. The most important thing is that you balance the game so that everyone feels compelled to continue playing. If the more casual player wants to wait until Coil is nerfed/they're buffed while in coil, who cares? By then, turns 6+ will be available and people that played 1-5 for months will have moved on. Both groups get their preferred type of content and SE continues to make money. Or would you rather make the game a hardcore paradise were casuals leave once they hit 50 because they don't want to die on Titan HM 50 times and never get their relic?
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  4. #214
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    I'll start by saying I'm new to mmos and find myself wiping on some of the easier dungeons. Personally, I'm not keen on dungeon nerfs/player buffs. These fights are a challenge and I want to improve to be able to succeed. I don't particularly want SE to dumb down stuff so that I feel better about myself/the game. >.> It will have the opposite effect. I do feel that the game is actually pretty easy overall seeing that I'm level 50 already, but what do I have to compare it to?

    I've met a number of players who say the game is "too easy". The only time I feel bad is when I mention that I wiped for the 5th time on Garuda HM and some other player is "LOL Garuda is so easy!L2P!" But that's not a problem with the game difficulty, that's a problem with assholes.
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  5. #215
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hvinire View Post
    In the future, instead of creating easy modes of dungeons the team plans to add powerful buffs to players that will make difficult dungeons (including Binding Coil of Bahamut) easier to complete.
    This is the way LotRO and a few other games went. It allows for development flexibility leaving content stable. Can't get 8 people? Buff 4 to do an 8 man dungeon. Many of the lower level dungeons nobody ran in LotRO you could solo through signature buffing. They were hard as hell but you could do it. It's really all about how far you want to take it.

    Here it would allow people to at least get a lay of the dungeon, learn the moves, learn the core attack moves before duty finder queue.
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  6. #216
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    Bosses are a part of the story and boss difficulty is a part of their story. What does it tell you about a boss when it takes a great deal of effort to beat vs a boss than can be steamrolled.
    Do you remember anything about the boss in Tamtara? Now do you remember the dragon that kicked your butt for weeks before you finally overcame it?
    Part of the story is their strength. Denying them their strength is denying yourself a part of the story you do desperately crave.
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  7. #217
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptolemy View Post
    absolutely nothing is stopping them from completing the content,besides themselves, from the posts here i've read , they would rather just wait till it's nerfed into the ground so it doesn't require much of them
    So what is the problem?

    I fail to see why so many "hardcore" players complain about this, by the time the nerf comes we will have higher content, with stronger items as rewards. Turn 1-5 are going to be easier anyway just by having that gear.. And if you can turn off the buff just do it, no one will stop you from equipping old gear and running old content. And you'll say you won't find others that want to do this, and well... Guess what? That's because only a very tiny minority cares to do that. So yes, you're in the minority. Sorry.... (minority of minority, cause a lot of the hardcore players that care for that level of a challenge prefer new content, we all know old content we have already cleared is significantly easier) and even if this wasn't the case, then you would just find more players that want to.

    People like feeling like special snowflakes just because other people are not able to do stuff they do. Even though they will have new content and gear by then, apparently that is not enough of a barrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadana View Post
    I'll start by saying I'm new to mmos and find myself wiping on some of the easier dungeons. Personally, I'm not keen on dungeon nerfs/player buffs. These fights are a challenge and I want to improve to be able to succeed. I don't particularly want SE to dumb down stuff so that I feel better about myself/the game. >.> It will have the opposite effect. I do feel that the game is actually pretty easy overall seeing that I'm level 50 already, but what do I have to compare it to?

    I've met a number of players who say the game is "too easy". The only time I feel bad is when I mention that I wiped for the 5th time on Garuda HM and some other player is "LOL Garuda is so easy!L2P!" But that's not a problem with the game difficulty, that's a problem with assholes.
    And you shouldn't feel bad, and neither worry about content getting nerfed, because it will get nerfed, and ocne it's nerfed there will be more hard content, so you'll have always something to challenge yourself with.... And if there isn't. Then the players that seek to challenge themselves with content will just quit. Sad? Maybe. But that's the way it is, there will be other games that present harder or equal challenges too. Having said that. I doubt SE will remove the challenge from top end-game. Because that is something that people always want, even if it's a small percentage of the players.

    On another note, I've wiped HM garuda too? So what. xD It's not only about how you perform, it is not a solo dungeon. And even if every player in there were very experienced and skilled and what not, you could still wipe to lack of coordination and just poor sync overall between players (maybe garuda is not the example for the lattest, but it still can happen and will happen on harder content, why it won't happen on garuda? because it simply doesn't require that much gear, and yes, sadly, gear allows you to avoid coordination and mechanichs and such, it just makes it easier).

    If everyone went and did garuda in AF gear (the ilvl 50 and 55 set) with equal items for their other slots, then it would require much more skill, and groups of experienced players could wipe easily too.
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    It sounds like to me the hardcore players want to kick out the casual players.
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    I know there is going to be more content coming out. And it isn't nice to belittle people who have reading comprehension problems.
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