Q: I feel that black mage is a bit overpowered.

[Sinth]

Lie, we are dps with support skills, that's the true, more then 80% of our abilities are dps skills, we spend 99% of the battle doing dps, and 1% turning on/off a music, in a good group we don't use anything but foe requiem, losing dps only to turn it on. so pls don't talk about what u don't know.

To the one who sad blm has no utility skill, WTF.... eye for an eye(awesome), virus(holy shit), lethargy(...), blm is one of the best class to bring to coil, he cant kite on t4 for quite some time, extremely useful at t5, the high dps... i would prefer a team with 1 bard and 3 blm them anyone else.

I'm pretty sure I know what I am talking about, but thanks for the nod of arrogance. Yes, most of your skills are DPS but your primary role in a party has little to do with your damage output and everything to do with your songs. You're like the RDM of XI but with physical attacks instead of enfeebling magic. Face it, you're a buffbot. Yes, a bard's DPS contributes and can be decent, but it should never be as high as a melee DPS or Caster. It is a support job. Know your role.

[Malevicton]

I feel like too many BRDs imagine a impenetrable dichotomy between support and dps. You can be both! In fact, you are. "I'm not a support, I'm a dps!" gets overused. If you actively try to be exclusively one or the other then you're going to suck at the other half of your class... Even if you assume that your class is 99% dps and 1% support (you'd be way off, but oh well) then it's reasonable that you could only get within 99% of a pure dps (e.g. BLM) numbers.

More on topic, I guess, I think us BLMs could do without apoc or EfaE. Not that I'm in any way against my class getting as much stuff as possible, but those 2 moves specifically feel very out of place next to the rest of the BLM moves. And if we are intended to be the "pure" dps class then I don't see much of a reason for them to be there (although I'm pretty sure we only get apoc and freeze because someone was too lazy to think of real BLM moves...).

[Borfin]

Someone forgot Sprint and having no resource that it detracts from.

Also: Swiftcast Blizzard II.

[Gilthas]

Utilty in this game is pretty bogus anyway. This is pretty much the only MMORPG I can think of where CC effects even work on bosses and that seems to be only done so that you've to pick 2 classes that can silence for High Voltage. If you want bogus utility, I'm sure it's easy to come up with an equally bogus encounter that requires Freeze or Apocostasis, so I'm not too worried about the utility or lack there of on a BLM, because nobody really has any utility to begin with as the game is designed with gimmick encounters to give the illusion of utility.

You know what I really hate in RPGs? That status effects rarely work on the mobs that I actually want to use them on. Not sure why you call certain jobs being able to use CCs on bosses is "bogus utility".

And you could actually enfeeble bosses in FFXI too.

[Fantasy9]

Because Bard is a support job, not a DPS. The buffs they provide are required to pass some fights, but their damage output is not.

But if we joined the group as ARC instead of bard you would: A)Laugh at us B)Ask us to switch to BRD C)Kick us D)A&B E)A&C. Don't even dare denying that you would do one of these things because we all know that this would happen.

[Fantasy9]

because unlike the black mage which only brings damage to a fight, the bard brings great and mobile damage, lots of utility(songs) and cc, when you factor in all these aspects you can tell why bard is getting a nerf, because they simply bring to much to a fight...
Theres no other class which can dps 100% of the time in any fight, while buffing its party and CC'ing has required.

You obviously don't know BRD then. While a song is active, our MP is drained so songs last only as long as we have MP AND we lose 20% Damage. What CC are you speaking of? We BRDs don't have any like the BLM and WHM do.

[Fantasy9]

Dude ...

Even in MOBAs silence is considered a CC...

@Warthahahahain (sorry had this pun in my head )

You are right about the Multi tasking Bard but if they had to remove some strength from us at least I wish they would add some kind of versatility to our support.

I mean, heck, our Job master had a damn micro hp regen and attack damage song... why not us ? T_T

HOWEVER, our silence lasts only like 3 seconds while other games that use silence as CC have their's last for a lot longer.

[Ryios]

[Remn]

Or you could... you know... have 2 paladins that aren't bad...

^This, I LOL so hard ...

Please try 2 PLD with out BRD and see how fast you got murder by T1 ADS. (It doesn't count if you have OVERgeared DPS to tank T1 ADS add ;P)

[Lunavi]

But if we joined the group as ARC instead of bard you would: A)Laugh at us B)Ask us to switch to BRD C)Kick us D)A&B E)A&C. Don't even dare denying that you would do one of these things because we all know that this would happen.

I personally would do B&C, no reason to laugh that is just mean. But if I ask for a bard I want a bard who can silence the mobs I need silenced. If you changed to mnk and was able to silence as that. That is fine with me aswell. But when people ask for a bard they want a bard to be able to get past certain mechanics. As Sinth said there, you are taken for your silence and songs, not your D.