[QUOTE=Millimidget;1608092]I was heavily farming dungeons until a week ago, but frankly its even less enjoyable to do than farm fates. Farming dungeons was prone to hysteric group members and a weak loot system.....QUOTE]

See I am the opposite. I despise FATE farming and quite enjoy dungeon running for exp. Frankly I find fates boring and trivial and with all the blm spamming blizzard2 it also becomes annoying. Leveling should be enjoyable but everyone enjoys different things. The only issue I have with fates is ppl use them to burn up their jobs then have no idea how to play them. Fates have their ups and downs but for me its mostly downs.

SE is relying too much on the fate system and, as usual, completely underestimating their audience's abilities due to listening too closely to the vocal few.