Question for the "its fun" people

[Gilraen]

I must be missing the point here. I haven't been playing this game for progression. In full honestly, I only plan on wearing two pieces of Darklight on my dragoon because those are the only pieces of Darklight that have accuracy, and lord does the Dragoon ever need accuracy. Heck, I'm only wearing the Hetaroi body for that same reason, the last two visible pieces being Peltast for yet more accuracy. And no, I haven't started Coil yet. I don't play to gear up. I play to have fun. With friends. This is an MMO, a social game. If a friend wants to run some dungeon I've long since passed, well then I run that dungeon with them. Maybe there's something in it they want, why not help them try for it? That's why we play together, isn't it?

[Ryios]

Fact, 2.1 is lower content than BCB.
Fact, some people will unsub after face rolling it.
Fact, 2.2 and future patches will come out and the content will be in the right order

They have to release 2.1 to catch up, so imo this is a catchup patch for missing it at launch. After that everything will be in the right order. Bottom line is that it's likely to be next august before this game hits it's peak in potential.

I just deal with it and go on. I have faith SE can get this game in order eventually and there's not much else to play while they do it so I stick around.

This game reminded me of something I said last time I was in a game at launch: "Never join a game at launch, wait a year..." I think I'll listen to my own advice when EQ Next comes out.

[Mishakai]

You knew the state the game would be released in. You knew a majority of what would be in 2.1 because a lot of the systems were beta tested in phase 4, You knew the release of 2.1 would be Nov/Dec, and yet you still rushed to 50 and tunnel visioned your way to "Nothing left to do"...

I'm sorry, but the only people you are going to get any sympathy from are the people who made the same poor decision you did.

[Ri_ri]

After I have enough to do the content, I stop caring about gear.

[Ryios]

I see people say that all the time "You rushed to 50" etc etc "Your fault" etc etc etc.

Can you people please tell me, what is so awesome in this game that would keep me occupied if I had not rushed to 50?

Where is this content I can't seem to find that's fun and engaging that is not at level 50?

Are you referring to crafting? Or maybe leveling alts?

If so,

Crafting... Is pretty boring. It's done nicely in this game, but not really fun. It's something I do for a level or 2 when I'm really bored and I'm doing it just because I know it will help me out later (e.g. my miner is 50 now finally).

And leveling alts....

I've leveled two tanks to 50 and a blm to 45 (50 tonight or tomorrow prolly). And leveling is so boring. Fate grind and fate grind. And don't event talk about the dungeons, I've run every one of them, and 95% of them are face roll snooze fests.

At least 2.1 will make dungeons more efficient, then leveling alts will be better.

[OldGeezer]

ok I believe there needs to be progression and SOMETHING to achieve when you log in to keep people playing and having fun.
I keep seeing these people saying "YOU DONT NEED TO UPGRADE GEAR TO HAVE FUN" ...

There are multiple ways to have fun. You're just focusing on one of them. The first time you complete a dungeon it's fun because you beat the challenge. The next time you do the same dungeon because it still gives you great EXP and the gear is better than anything you currently have. The next time might be because you want to try an alt-class and try it in a dungeon. Two weeks ago I did Satasha for a healer so she could learn the ropes. Yesterday I did it for a tank who's still learning the rotations. I've enjoyed all the moments, only a few of which we're related to gear progression.

[Hiro_Protagonist]

I probably don't need to contribute another opinion to this thread, but here I go anyway.

I am a fairly well-geared healer; I have overmelded ilvl70 with several myth pieces, an allagan piece (and several allagan pieces for other classes >.<) and have downing T4 with my static down to a science (under 20 min this last run). However, I still play as much as I can manage because I feel there's so much to do. I finally got my BTN and WVR leveled to 50, in addition to CUL which I already had. I have started experimenting with crafting 100% HQ 1-star stuff and now I want CRP50 so I can do 2 star. I have quite of few other classes to 30-35 but there are a few I still have to get up there. Sometimes I like to break with my FC and rank up my chocobo, but I still have a LONG way to go there (rank 5). When I'm not running coil or WP I like to answer requests for a healer or tank for any content. I especially like to tank because I feel I still need a lot of experience on my PLD; I just downed Titan HM on my PLD for the first time for a random group the other day. It felt glorious. I'm sure eventually I'll run out of things to do, but I don't think it will be any time too soon.

[Malamasala]

Why Satasha? That would fall under the "I want to kill crabs forever" crowd, which are always complaining.

I think those who enjoy the game are more part of the "I like being level 50 and having a lot of abilities unlocked". So if anything they'd do tonberries, ifrits, titans etc.

Personally I play very little because other games take my time. Yes, can you believe it? I buy more than 1 MMO every 10 years and end up playing different things and having fun, instead of sitting at my single bought game whining about how it doesn't have 5000 hours worth of content.

[Naunet]

Progression in this game comes from gearing out all your classes, not just your main. Until you've geared every class in full ilvl90, you can't complain about running out of stuff to do.

No. That's no different than telling someone in any other MMO that they can't talk about running out of stuff to do unless they've leveled and geared every class in the game. It's a completely useless argument. Rehashing the same content over and over to level different classes does not make that content new, no matter if it's on the same character or a different character.

[Zfz]

I hate WP and AK due simply to how many times I've ran the two places in such a short span of time.

I help out guild buddies with stuff as much for a change of scenery as it is to help. Sastasha, Brayflox, Aurum Vale, you name it.

And no, you don't need to progress to have fun, there are other things people do in-game that isn't even remotely related to progression. However, progression is the main goal of this game's design. So it isn't surprising that it attracts a lot of people who are unable to have fun without progression. There's nothing to discuss with regards to this, it's like "you don't need tea to enjoy a good afternoon", because there will be people who think a good cup of tea is a must-have for an enjoyable afternoon.

It's fine to not understand other people's idea of fun. It's not fine to go out of your way to "debate them down" or "show them that they're wrong". Because both sides are right.