Extremely disappointed in my Dragoon after attempting T4

[Ryuko]

It is possible your rotation for your dragoon is not as good as your rotation for your bard. I've seen plenty of dragoons push out more dps than you with comparable gear -- so it is likely that you are still having trouble learning the turn and optimizing your dps for that, or you are missing something that would make your dps better than it currently is. I've also seen bards with better gear put out less dps than your bard -- possibly because they are also not getting their own rotations right, but you are great at playing bard. I have 0 advice for dragoon but I will say that the classes are pretty balanced and a difference in gear by this much would mean a sharp difference in DPS if you are optimizing your rotations for each class.

[Tenku]

I'm so tired of people thinking bard is an OP class. Our job is so incoherent it's not even funny. Seriously they need to fix our class. As for your problem? You're clearly not as good of a DRG as you think you are if your BRD is out DPSing it (Given the parse is correct which i doubt completely)

Why don't you come on Excalibur and do any fights with my DRG. I'm a better DRG than most on the server. I didn't say BRD was OP. I said I am disappointed in my DRG. It's clearly imbalanced.

[Tenku]

It is possible your rotation for your dragoon is not as good as your rotation for your bard. ...

There is no better rotation for DRG. The 27 hit rotation for DRG is the best. I have tested many and clearly, the 27 hit rotation that most DRGs should know about is the best. I am doing a lot more damage than the other Dragoon in our party. I am sure every parser is different and the parser we used probably didn't count dots. But clearly, if you use the same parser on both jobs, the difference in damage should be significant when one job is wearing nearly full ilvl 90 gears while the other job is only wearing ilvl 60 gears.

[Ayasee]

I guarantee you my DRG can do better DPS than you. My complaint is not that I have an issue. My complaint is that my Bard, with shit gears, can nearly outdps my DRG with almost all best in slot gears.

Please learn to read.

Your BRD should not be outDPSing you on a dreadnought, lmao. No way in hell you do more DPS than me, I do ~300 DPS on a dread on T4.

Please learn to play. I bet you use Fracture too.

[Pellegri]

That's not possible. I'm way better on DRG than BRD. I have not seen a better DRG than me on Excalibur server. I can hit my 27 hit rotation on DRG almost 100% of the time on any fight except when the boss teleports. I can dodge perfectly on most fight without losing DPS. I'm very proud to be a damn good DRG, but if me playing half-ass on BRD with bad gears can do just as well as me trying very hard on DRG with very good gears..... there is a problem.

And that problem is you and the fact that you believe a parser that is horribly off when it's impossible to do that kind of dps for any significant amount of time as a bard with that kind of gear. If for any reason the parser was correct for more than a few secs(during aoe spam which even then you should be doing more as a dragoon with that kind of gear) then the problem is your own ability with playing a dragoon.

[Myrhn]

That's not possible. I'm way better on DRG than BRD. I have not seen a better DRG than me on Excalibur server. I can hit my 27 hit rotation on DRG almost 100% of the time on any fight except when the boss teleports. I can dodge perfectly on most fight without losing DPS. I'm very proud to be a damn good DRG, but if me playing half-ass on BRD with bad gears can do just as well as me trying very hard on DRG with very good gears..... there is a problem.

Also are you even counting the limit? Is you brd DPS more in all fight? Saying you are disappointed just because in one fight it does kinda better is dumb.

[SaveTheSunF1R3x]

You're basically just proving my point that my BRD is better. Not only does it do more DPS, but it has better utility. I hope this "BUFF" coming to Dragoon is a big one and this "NERF" to bard is a big one. This is pretty pathetic.

You said it was OP /Thread
Also i've seen you around quite often and there are MUCH better DRGs here on Excalibur. (Just telling it how it is)

[Ayasee]

2-3 week old parse on a striking dummy for ~112 seconds when I had less ilvl 90 than I currently do right now. No food, potions or party buffs.

If you are doing <250 on a single target, it's a player issue, not a DRG being underpowered lol. But you know, since you're doing more DPS than I am enjoy being stuck in Turn 4.

Of course, I do a little more now with more ilvl 90 gear in addition with the party buffs and food in Coil.

[Ryuko]

You say that you think the parse is accurate because the dreadnaught is dying in the same amount of time..

Well, after doing this fight enough, everyone really just starts to memorize how long you have in the dreaded phase 3 dps race before phase 4 starts. If I am doing a run with lesser-geared people, I will push out more dps (pop more cooldowns) on phase 3 than I normally would because I know I need to make up for someone who is not as geared as me. That means popping my beloved Enkindle (SMN 5 min cooldown) when I might have saved it for a later time. I'll also probably pop Contagion instead of saving it for phase 4. Other people in your group probably alter their cooldowns (may or may not use raging strikes, for example) depending on how they perceive the length of phase 3 going. It's game over if you don't kill the dreadnaught before phase 4, so of course you're always going to kill it at the same time if your group wants to push on. I would not trust parsers specifically because "well, it's dying at the same time."

[Atreides]

The gears on Bards have all DEX and your attributes are all DEX which adds to accuracy. I am accuracy capped with those gears on bard for T4.

Read the stat description on dex and come again.
It adds to ranged DAMAGE and Parry/block, it does not add any Accuracy.

Edit: Ack someone beat me to it, didn't expect this thread to get so many replies in such a short time. D:

I bet you use Fracture too.

There is actually nothing wrong with using fracture while your buffs are on. Other than that it's a TP dump I agree.